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ABOUT THOSE REFUGEES IN EUROPE
boblonsberry.com ^ | 09/08/15 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 09/08/2015 6:08:48 AM PDT by shortstop

This refugee thing doesn't make sense.

Hundreds of thousands of people, supposedly pushed out of Syria and Afghanistan by war, are swarming into Europe and demanding asylum.

We have seen riots, and a drowned little boy, and cheering crowds of welcome.

It is an interesting and historic spectacle, but I don't think we understand much about it. And I don't think we're asking enough questions, or grasping all of the consequences.

So let's talk about it.

First, if there is a true refugee problem, it's pretty likely the last six or seven years of American foreign policy are primarily to blame. It is American escalation that has destabilized Afghanistan and it was American indifference that melted down Syria. Whether we were drawing red lines in the sand, or moving troops in or out, what we failed to do was stabilize either Syria or Afghanistan.

And don't ask what our precipitous withdrawal from Iraq did.

If indeed these people are being pushed from Syria and Afghanistan because of the disruption of war, no nation had greater capacity to prevent that dislocation than the United States.

Translation: These are Obama's refugees.

Another unanswered question in all this is: Why now?

Both Syria and Afghanistan have been war wracked for some time. Both nations have faced their own respective heartache, with the devastation in Syria most comprehensible to westerners.

But why have these two oppressive nations now simultaneously and surprisingly decided to allow these refugees out? It seems clear the Muslim Middle East has opened its door and a flood of folks are pouring out.

It's only natural to wonder why.

And why now.

I also think it's fair to wonder if this mass of humanity is exclusively the sympathetic refugees shown on the evening news. Both Syria and Afghanistan have been home to dangerous, international jihad groups, and the possibility that the Islamic State and Taliban or Al Qaida vestiges have sent terrorists into Europe with the refugees seems pretty high.

The refugees also seem to have a high expectation of services and accommodations, almost an entitlement. Refugees have held protests and demonstrations in Greece, demanding a faster and more efficient registration system. It seems odd that folks who have shown up and thrown themselves on the taxpayers of Greece would be so critical of their hosts.

Further, it is clear that the motive for the influx is more than just safety and peace. Safety and peace can be found in any European country. The religious freedom of these people would be respected in any nation of Europe, and they would be protected like any other person. If refuge and escape were the motivation, any nation in Europe would do.

But not any nation in Europe will do, it seems.

Refugees all want to go to Germany.

Period.

Sad tales of people dying in trucks and by other means have all been people who had already found safety in Europe, but were looking for something different in Germany.

That something different might be money.

Germany is the richest nation in Europe and has the most generous welfare benefits.

And that's where the refugees want to go.

There is also the unspoken fact of Islamifacation. Europe isn't quite Europe anymore, and the percentage of non-assimilitated Muslims across the continent is soaring. In some nations, this has led to friction and opened the door to Muslim terrorism.

With these hundreds of thousands of new refugees, a broad, blanket immigration has been granted to people whose religion has been antagonistic to Europe's Christianity and western democracy. And while the Syrians have some foundation in modernity, the Afghans streaming in mostly have no taste or capacity for the lifestyle and values of the Judeo-Christian world.

It is fair to ask what this influx of young, vital Muslims does to a continent whose society and Christianity have grown moribund.

There is also cost. And though it will leap quickly into the billions, it may be the least of society's concerns. Most European nations seem intent on helping these people along their journey and in their ultimate new homes. Many regular European citizens have shown up with clothes and food, as well as welcoming and open hearts. It seems likely that if legitimate avenues of charity open up, Americans will join Europeans in their generosity to these displaced people.

The principle is horrifying.

Every parent watching on the news imagines what would happen if such disruption came to his or her home. The terror and dislocation of war are not lessened because they have not been lived. The world wants these people to be taken care of.

And they will be.

But there a lot of unanswered questions.

And it would be good to answer those questions before more time passes or more consequences unfurl.

Because, right now, a lot of this refugee thing doesn't make sense.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: europejihad; germany; invasion; muslims; ngos; planned; refugeecrisis; refugees; soros; statedepartment
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I'm glad I got to see the major part of Europe before the Muslims moved in. It's a legitimate question, but the answer is obvious. Why don't they emigrate to another Muslim nation? Obviously, the freebies are better in Germany and, more importantly, it's part of a greater plan to take over Europe.

My prediction; if the Muslim invasion ever ends, it will not be without massive bloodshed. Bring on Charles Martel and the 21st Century Crusades. Civilization will depend on it.

1 posted on 09/08/2015 6:08:48 AM PDT by shortstop
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To: shortstop

Those aren’t refugees. It’s the Advanced Guard Main Body of an invasion force.


2 posted on 09/08/2015 6:10:25 AM PDT by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: shortstop

Turn the refugees back. More directly, train and arm those who are able-bodied and send them home to defend their homelands. Arm and license them to kill Islamic terrorists and their supporters. Fix the problem.


3 posted on 09/08/2015 6:10:28 AM PDT by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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To: shortstop

Yes, exactly! I was wondering the exact same thing!

From my understanding, the Syrian war has been going on for years now. Hundreds of thousands of Syrians have died in previous years. Last year was the year of Isis taking over much of Iraq.

What is the cause of this huge wave here in August and September 2015? Anyone have in insights?


4 posted on 09/08/2015 6:13:17 AM PDT by MNDude (God is not a Republican, but Satan is certainly a Democrat.)
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To: shortstop

My kid brother visited Western Europe about 10 years ago. He asked me what I thought he should see. I told him to make sure he saw every major Cathedral. And make sure he took pictures of himself in front of them. That they wouldn’t be around for his kids to visit. He laughed at me then about how they’d been standing for a thousand years nearly some of them. He’s not laughing any more.


5 posted on 09/08/2015 6:13:18 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: TADSLOS

The invasion of Europe by Moslems was predicted by Nostradamus. Many took that to mean a formal invasion by an army. They don’t recognize the invasion as it is.


6 posted on 09/08/2015 6:21:13 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: shortstop

The West is committing SUICIDE!!!! This is an INVASION with an INVITATION!!! We are all DOOMED! We will NEVER survive this.


7 posted on 09/08/2015 6:21:49 AM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: TADSLOS

Bingo....it’s about 95 percent MEN!!!!


8 posted on 09/08/2015 6:23:02 AM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: shortstop

I have friends currently touring Europe, they are due back later this week.

It has taken all my strength to NOT ask them what they are hearing, seeing, etc. as this is supposed to be their vacation. I will ask them when they get back.


9 posted on 09/08/2015 6:23:34 AM PDT by EBH (There's a sucker born every minute)
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To: TADSLOS
It’s the Advanced Guard Main Body of an invasion force.

And the Euroweenie liberals will welcome them with an outpouring heart. And then in 3 to 5 years there will be chaos and bloodshed along with economic hardship from supporting these who will surely demand even more accommodation.

10 posted on 09/08/2015 6:23:40 AM PDT by Obadiah (Mr. Obama, the time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end.)
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To: MNDude; Impy; Kackikat; shoff; floriduh voter; snippy_about_it; ovrtaxt; syriacus; ...

Here’s an important insight — violent thugs are invading Europe and rioting like feces-lobbing apes, and we need our GOP primary runners to vow that those thugs won’t be welcome to the US:

Muslim Refugees Chant ‘Allahu Akbar,’ ‘F**k You, Attack Citizens, Throw Feces...

[Drudge update]

Also ...

VIDEO: Greek Island Turns into War Zone...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/08/greek-islands-turned-into-a-war-zone-by-migrants-supposedly-fleeing-war/

So Merkel can scream bloody murder about wanting to welcome apish thugs with open arms, but NOT HERE!

... related ...

CHART: Employment of US-born workers fell 698,000 in month of August...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-07/698k-native-born-americans-lost-their-job-august-why-suddenly-most-important-jobs-ch


11 posted on 09/08/2015 6:24:47 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (The DNC's 2012 Convention actually 'booed' God three times.)
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To: shortstop

Curious? Where did All the Refugee’s flee to during the American Revolution or the Civil War? There had to be hundreds of thousands of Cowards fleeing right?


12 posted on 09/08/2015 6:26:29 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: shortstop

This time the “Persians” are going defeat Greece.


13 posted on 09/08/2015 6:33:26 AM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: TADSLOS

“Those aren’t refugees. It’s the Advanced Guard Main Body of an invasion”

And why, oh why, is there hardly anyone who can see this for what it is? The Perfect Day for Muslims is fast approaching.


14 posted on 09/08/2015 6:34:23 AM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: sportutegrl

I’ like to see that quatrain that contains this ‘prediction’?


15 posted on 09/08/2015 6:38:31 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: MNDude

Germany opened its doors and is very generous. I saw on BBC many of these so called refugees are nicely dressed young men with iPhones and when interviewed they want to go to Germany to make money.


16 posted on 09/08/2015 6:39:56 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Trump had better hang the Europe's refugee crisis around Obama and Hitlery, and vow that those thugs won't be welcome under his watch. It's a twofer.
17 posted on 09/08/2015 6:43:13 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

> CHART: Employment of US-born workers fell 698,000 in month of August...

Anyone in the current administration that says our economy is exploding is right. That’s what happens to a building when you set charges and demo it.


18 posted on 09/08/2015 6:43:38 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Rusty0604

In one month the Germans will realize they’ve been taken and it will destabilize their economy. Sorry but once you let them in its hell kicking them out. Obie knows this well and he’ll use your tax dollars to import them and pay for all their goodies which means more hours working for free as a slave for the black man.


19 posted on 09/08/2015 6:48:39 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: shortstop
Most European nations seem intent on helping these people along their journey and in their ultimate new homes.

In 1621 the New England Indians were helping the Pilgrims and trading with them. The immigration continued and the immigrants and their towns increased while the Indians and their towns slowly decreased and were pushed out. From an initial few hundred, the torrent eventually reached 80,000 and a tipping point.

By 1675 the same people were at each other's throats in really nasty war, King Phillip's War. It was an ugly bloodbath for both sides. Nearly half the New England towns were damaged or destroyed but the (now outnumbered) Indians were soundly defeated and their civilizations wiped out.

There is a lesson here for us all if we care to heed it - beware of what foreign cultures you let migrate in with great numbers and who become settlers of your land especially when they don't share your "tribal" values.

20 posted on 09/08/2015 6:55:31 AM PDT by Gritty (For the GOP-e the issue is Trump; for the base the issue is the GOP establishment - Mark Steyn)
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