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7th Circuit Court: Illegal Immigrants Have Second Amendment Rights Too
Breitbart - Big Government ^ | 8-25-2015 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 08/26/2015 3:47:18 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot

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To: impimp

i still have my second amendment rights... you cannot take them from me. if i am let in... i will be able to protect myself... i will be carrying. you will not know it. it will not be illegal for me to do so. you may not like it, but do you see the analogy i am painting.


41 posted on 08/26/2015 8:58:49 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: tanknetter

it’s not a bad thought process, but you equate being armed with being bad... which intent has everything to do with that...


42 posted on 08/26/2015 9:02:36 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: Vaquero
I agree that all people have a God given right to protect themselves.

That being said, only Americans are protected by our constitution...

...... the uninvited are criminals and to be treated as such

The Supreme Court held long ago that aliens have Constitutional rights. i.e., You're visiting America on holiday. You still can speak, assemble, are free from unreasonable searches, etc.

Now, that doesn't mean that you still can't arrest illegals and deport them. (Gotta admit, I'm starting to lean towards more permanent methods of making sure they never come back)

It would be nice if the Second Amendment were actually honored in this country for citizens as well.

43 posted on 08/26/2015 10:46:15 AM PDT by zeugma (Zaphod Beeblebrox for president! Or Cruz if Zaphod is unavailable.)
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To: The_Reader_David
Actually, the preface of the Second Amendment does provide an argument for treating aliens (even legal immigrants who are not citizens) differently. The militia is the body of armed citizens (not the National Guard as the gun-grabbers would have it), and it is the right of all citizens to be part of the militia — to keep and bear arms — that the Second Amendment protects, not the right of invaders to keep and bear arms.

So you're saying, like the gun-grabbers always do, that your Second Amendment right depends on whether or not you're recognized by the government as being in the US militia?

I submit that the right to armed self-defense depends on absolutely NOTHING, except removal of rights as punishment for a crime under the due process of law.

There should be NO laws pertaining to the purchase, ownership, and carry of guns. NONE WHATSOEVER, if the Constitution is worth more than the paper it's written on. They didn't say "unduly burdened," they said "infringed."

44 posted on 08/26/2015 12:01:41 PM PDT by mvpel
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To: teeman8r
stripping a suspected person of their rights just doesn’t sit well with me... perhaps you should rethink your position as an advocate for the second amendment... and who decides what is criminal behavior...

My intent there was if someone has been arrested as a suspect in a crime - they could, for example, have their right to arms restricted as a bail condition. Due process.

45 posted on 08/26/2015 12:05:54 PM PDT by mvpel
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To: teeman8r

I can put a sign on my house that anybody with a gun is a trespasser. You would be liable in court.


46 posted on 08/26/2015 12:15:30 PM PDT by impimp
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To: lepton
"Possession of a cartridge, a .22 at that, is enough to be charged for having a firearm? This is layers of absurdity."

No. Bad reporting. The law also forbids possession of ammunition.

47 posted on 08/26/2015 12:20:07 PM PDT by mlo
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To: mvpel
So you're saying, like the gun-grabbers always do, that your Second Amendment right depends on whether or not you're recognized by the government as being in the US militia?

Not at all. The militia as the Founders understood it exists independent of government recognition -- as the militias that fought the British existed independent of recognition by either the British Crown or the Continental Congress.

While there is a general human right to self-defense, the armed person who is in another country not his own, unless there on terms agreeable to the government of that country, is an invader, and as I observed, in normal times subject to armed resistance, rather than being coddled by the courts.

48 posted on 08/26/2015 2:37:08 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Uh, no they don’t. Non-citizens have NO rights in our country unless granted through a Visa or green card.


49 posted on 08/26/2015 2:43:07 PM PDT by Fledermaus (To hell with the Republican Party. I'm done with them. If I want a Lib Dem I'd vote for one.)
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To: teeman8r

“All” are citizens. They are not citizens. Even liberals can understand that.


50 posted on 08/26/2015 2:44:26 PM PDT by Fledermaus (To hell with the Republican Party. I'm done with them. If I want a Lib Dem I'd vote for one.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Why? Importing them wasn’t impractical. Please explain how it’s so deporting them? There are many ways to deport...pick them up or just turn off the magnet.


51 posted on 08/26/2015 2:46:14 PM PDT by Fledermaus (To hell with the Republican Party. I'm done with them. If I want a Lib Dem I'd vote for one.)
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To: teeman8r

The constitution does not apply to non-citizens. Someone from another county can’t get through customs with a gun unless they have permits and a reason like a law enforcement officer.


52 posted on 08/26/2015 2:48:22 PM PDT by Fledermaus (To hell with the Republican Party. I'm done with them. If I want a Lib Dem I'd vote for one.)
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To: Fledermaus

Amazing how many here do not understand the constitution and how it applys to everyone here. Many here embrace leftists interpretation to deny rights without thought to what they are doing. It saddens me that my end will come from one of these individuals will just be following orders...


53 posted on 08/26/2015 5:14:28 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: teeman8r

How about this then? I believe that the states have the right to restrict guns all that they want. I believe the constitution protect us from a federal government from taking away our gun rights.

A bunch of black robes say that some amendments have been “incorporated” such that they apply to all governments. I disagree.


54 posted on 08/26/2015 8:09:21 PM PDT by impimp
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To: impimp

I would disagree with your definition of freedom as to our rights not being incorprated. I feel they are. I believe the constitution is a contract between the governing and the governed...


55 posted on 08/26/2015 9:38:29 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: teeman8r

It’s amazing that someone who believes they are a conservative thinks the constitution applies to everyone on the planet.

You need to read the Federalist Papers.


56 posted on 08/27/2015 12:43:46 PM PDT by Fledermaus (To hell with the Republican Party. I'm done with them. If I want a Lib Dem I'd vote for one.)
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To: OldMissileer

An absurdity contest?


57 posted on 08/27/2015 6:22:05 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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