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Anti-Walker activists can put that in their pipe and smoke it!
1 posted on 08/13/2015 6:53:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Go home Scotty,and embrace your inner feminist side with Megyn Kelly, and talk about open borders.


3 posted on 08/13/2015 7:00:03 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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Ok,

So if this is such a great deal, why does the state have to finance it ? What about the ownership going to a bank ?

4 posted on 08/13/2015 7:03:09 AM PDT by onona (If I agree with something Donald says in a forest, and no one hears, am I still a "Trumper" ?)
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The “economic growth will pay for itself” argument is made for EVERY taxpayer funded stadium. And it rarely, if ever, turns out that way.


5 posted on 08/13/2015 7:03:21 AM PDT by Wolfie
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What a pathetic apologia.

Some Dems voting for something doesn’t mean there’s not a Republican crony tie.

$500,000 a year from a share of a ‘user fee’will not pay for “a large chunk of the arena”.

Any business channels income taxes into a state, but any state doesn’t pay such a business a half billion of its cost of doing business.

Claiming that such a giveaway will be in part paid for by cuts in spending elsewhere is also bogus.

Likewise, collecting more taxes from deadbeats is not “paying for” the arena.

And again the same on taxes raised on local parking.

Comparing it with the state funding a chemistry lab could hardly be more lame as well.

The complexity of the funding mechanisms do nothing to explain away that raising taxes and taking out humongous bonds for an arena are indeed public payment for a private business.

Shame on NR for even putting “Taxpayer Funded” in quotes in the title.


10 posted on 08/13/2015 7:08:14 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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Hey, the state could buy me a house and just apply my taxes to the mortgage. See. I’m really paying for it myself. Yes, this is crony capitalism. If anything, the sport team owners should pay for the privilege of building the stadium to cover for the extra costs taxpayers will have to cover such as extra policing.


15 posted on 08/13/2015 7:18:55 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Lex rex)
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The rest of the bonds will be financed with state tax revenues, but there’s an important catch — the remaining $3.5 million per year the state will pay over the next two decades is more than offset by the annual income taxes the Milwaukee Bucks franchise pays the state. According to state records, the Bucks pay $6.5 million per year in state income taxes. Every NBA player who comes to Milwaukee to face the Bucks pays a portion of his income to Wisconsin. This isn’t expected revenue from future economic development — this is money already being paid to the state. Thus, “taxpayers” won’t be paying the state’s portion, the Bucks will be.

Except that the NBA players have been paying that since the Bucks entered the league and I assume it's gone into the general revenue fund. So if suddenly more than half of it will now be devoted to paying for the Bucks stadium then I assume the Wisconsin taxpayers are on the hook for making up for where that money was spent before?

Anyway you look at it taxpayer are funding a big part of the arena and the Bucks owners are making out on the deal. At least when Kansas City renovated the Truman Sports Complex they put the issue to the taxpayers in a referendum. And the taxpayers approved the spending. Tney didn't have it shoved down their throat by the legislature.

17 posted on 08/13/2015 7:20:59 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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It’s taxpayer money. Period. Calling it offsets is merely a budget balancing magic trick. And while offsets often are real, even if they are ... it’s taxpayer money.

He wouldn’t be arguing “it would cost taxpayers more to lose them” (it wouldn’t) then keep them if he wasn’t using taxpayer money.

Taxpayer money for a billionaire’s sports arena? While I would vote for most of the GOP candidates (certainly not Jebby or Rubio) , I will never, ever vote for smarmy lap dog Walker.


20 posted on 08/13/2015 7:27:05 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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Anti-Walker activists can put that in their pipe and smoke it!

I'm no anti-Walker activist. Vicki McKenna, who is an exceptional radio hostess and generally VERY supportive of Walker not only thinks that it is a bad deal, but sets a precedent for every sports venue in the state (including schools) to stick out its hand for money. Previous deals were city or countywide. This is the first statewide sdeal.

I'm of the mind that at the state level and below, tax payers can spend their money on what they want, though I believe the returns on sports investments, ESPECIALLY football, are exagerrated.

Sarah Palin was okay with a local arena in Wasilla. I wouldn't support the Bucks deal, but I don't particularly blame Walker for going with it. Pretending that it isn't costing taxpayers in Wisconsin, however, is nonsense.
33 posted on 08/13/2015 7:47:31 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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In general, I oppose government subsides for commercial enterprises, but politicians are particularly attracted to these schemes. It has been going on forever in one form or another. If people don’t like it, they should vote out the bums, but most people seem to like these deals which, of course, is why politicians do it.

In our fair city, Wal Mart has been negotiating for tax abatements when they build a Wal Mart building. No one complains. When the abatement is scheduled to expire, Wal Mart builds another structure. We have had three different locations in 15 years and we will see another before long I am guessing.


36 posted on 08/13/2015 7:52:45 AM PDT by centurion316
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The rest of the bonds will be financed with state tax revenues, but there’s an important catch — the remaining $3.5 million per year the state will pay over the next two decades is more than offset by the annual income taxes the Milwaukee Bucks franchise pays the state. According to state records, the Bucks pay $6.5 million per year in state income taxes. Every NBA player who comes to Milwaukee to face the Bucks pays a portion of his income to Wisconsin. This isn’t expected revenue from future economic development — this is money already being paid to the state. Thus, “taxpayers” won’t be paying the state’s portion, the Bucks will be.

As if all the Buck's taxes would go to the arena and not have been used for something else? This argument is patently absurd. Walker made the decision that a half a loaf is better than none. The Bucks are still getting the other half.

39 posted on 08/13/2015 8:13:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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So sorry. All that article does is spin. Here are two more basic questions: why should taxpayers be on the hook to build a private sports stadium at all? And, Secondly, if its such a smashingly good deal, why would taxpayers in the state of Wisconsin need to be involved at all?

But its not crony capitalism. Oh no. Not that. Anything but that.


40 posted on 08/13/2015 8:18:31 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (The ballot is a suggestion box for slaves and foolsi)
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Anti-Walker activists can put that in their pipe and smoke it!

Walker is my second choice behind Cruz, but I absolutely oppose this and any other taxpayer funding of sports arenas. They always throw all these numbers around and try to make it sound as if the taxpayer isn't really paying for it, but in the end, we know they always do. The owners of these teams have hundreds of millions of dollars. They can bloody well secure any funding they need on their own. If it makes sense from a business perspective, they'll have no trouble gaining whatever funding they need. It's not like their credit scores suck.

43 posted on 08/13/2015 9:57:00 AM PDT by zeugma (Zaphod Beeblebrox for president!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; onyx; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; ...

Details of Walker’s Bucks arena deal. It’s a win/win for the State and for the taxpayers. Really.

Freep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


44 posted on 08/13/2015 10:09:25 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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46 posted on 08/13/2015 10:25:26 AM PDT by dadfly
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Oddly the article doesn’t mention the financial losses that would have followed if the Bucks had been given to another city.

====”We’re still working on this estimate. We believe that if nothing is done, let’s just say nothing is done, the Bucks leave, where are we here. We estimate to just to be able to maintain for safety issues and basic maintenance, it will cost $100 million over the next 10 to 12 years,” Marotta said.==

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/official-cost-of-maintaining-current-arena-will-be-high-b99250425z1-255687561.html

state coffers would suffer the loss of an estimated $299 million in income tax collections over 20 years from the Bucks and visiting NBA players.

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2015/06/04/arena-deal-announced-walker-says-its-cheaper-to.html


51 posted on 08/13/2015 7:33:02 PM PDT by sgtyork (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy)
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52 posted on 08/13/2015 8:19:55 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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