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Chuck Schumer, Eliot Engel Join Opposition Against Iran Deal (includes full statement)
JP Updates ^ | 08/06/2015 10:48 PM | Jacob Kornbluh

Posted on 08/07/2015 3:33:21 AM PDT by Dave346

Senator Chuck Schumer has announced that he will vote against the Iran nuclear deal in a lengthy statement Thursday night.

“Advocates on both sides have strong cases for their point of view that cannot simply be dismissed. This has made evaluating the agreement a difficult and deliberate endeavor, and after deep study, careful thought and considerable soul-searching, I have decided I must oppose the agreement and will vote yes on a motion of disapproval,” Schumer declared in a lengthy statement.

“Those who argue for the agreement say it is better to have an imperfect deal than to have nothing; that without the agreement, there would be no inspections, no snapback. When you consider only this portion of the deal – nuclear restrictions for the first ten years – that line of thinking is plausible, but even for this part of the agreement, the weaknesses mentioned above make this argument less compelling,” he explained.

But the Jewish Senator made clear that he will not lead the campaign in the U.S> senate against the deal. “There are some who believe that I can force my colleagues to vote my way,” he said. “While I will certainly share my view and try to persuade them that the vote to disapprove is the right one, in my experience with matters of conscience and great consequence like this, each member ultimately comes to their own conclusion.”

Read Schumer’s statement in full:

Every several years or so a legislator is called upon to cast a momentous vote in which the stakes are high and both sides of the issue are vociferous in their views.

Over the years, I have learned that the best way to treat such decisions is to study the issue carefully, hear the full, unfiltered explanation of those for and against, and then, without regard to pressure, politics or party, make a decision solely based on the merits.

I have spent the last three weeks doing just that: carefully studying the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, reading and re-reading the agreement and its annexes, questioning dozens of proponents and opponents, and seeking answers to questions that go beyond the text of the agreement but will have real consequences that must be considered.

Advocates on both sides have strong cases for their point of view that cannot simply be dismissed. This has made evaluating the agreement a difficult and deliberate endeavor, and after deep study, careful thought and considerable soul-searching, I have decided I must oppose the agreement and will vote yes on a motion of disapproval.

While we have come to different conclusions, I give tremendous credit to President Obama for his work on this issue. The President, Secretary Kerry and their team have spent painstaking months and years pushing Iran to come to an agreement. Iran would not have come to the table without the President’s persistent efforts to convince the Europeans, the Russians, and the Chinese to join in the sanctions. In addition, it was the President’s far-sighted focus that led our nation to accelerate development of the Massive Ordinance Penetrator (MOP), the best military deterrent and antidote to a nuclear Iran. So whichever side one comes down on in this agreement, all fair-minded Americans should acknowledge the President’s strong achievements in combatting and containing Iran.

In making my decision, I examined this deal in three parts: nuclear restrictions on Iran in the first ten years, nuclear restrictions on Iran after ten years, and non-nuclear components and consequences of a deal. In each case I have asked: are we better off with the agreement or without it?

In the first ten years of the deal, there are serious weaknesses in the agreement. First, inspections are not “anywhere, anytime”; the 24-day delay before we can inspect is troubling. While inspectors would likely be able to detect radioactive isotopes at a site after 24 days, that delay would enable Iran to escape detection of any illicit building and improving of possible military dimensions (PMD) – the tools that go into building a bomb but don’t emit radioactivity.

Furthermore, even when we detect radioactivity at a site where Iran is illicitly advancing its bomb-making capability, the 24-day delay would hinder our ability to determine precisely what was being done at that site.

Even more troubling is the fact that the U.S. cannot demand inspections unilaterally. By requiring the majority of the 8-member Joint Commission, and assuming that China, Russia, and Iran will not cooperate, inspections would require the votes of all three European members of the P5+1 as well as the EU representative. It is reasonable to fear that, once the Europeans become entangled in lucrative economic relations with Iran, they may well be inclined not to rock the boat by voting to allow inspections.

Additionally, the “snapback” provisions in the agreement seem cumbersome and difficult to use. While the U.S. could unilaterally cause snapback of all sanctions, there will be instances where it would be more appropriate to snapback some but not all of the sanctions, because the violation is significant but not severe. A partial snapback of multilateral sanctions could be difficult to obtain, because the U.S. would require the cooperation of other nations. If the U.S. insists on snapback of all the provisions, which it can do unilaterally, and the Europeans, Russians, or Chinese feel that is too severe a punishment, they may not comply.

Those who argue for the agreement say it is better to have an imperfect deal than to have nothing; that without the agreement, there would be no inspections, no snapback. When you consider only this portion of the deal – nuclear restrictions for the first ten years – that line of thinking is plausible, but even for this part of the agreement, the weaknesses mentioned above make this argument less compelling.

Second, we must evaluate how this deal would restrict Iran’s nuclear development after ten years.

Supporters argue that after ten years, a future President would be in no weaker a position than we are today to prevent Iran from racing to the bomb. That argument discounts the current sanctions regime. After fifteen years of relief from sanctions, Iran would be stronger financially and better able to advance a robust nuclear program. Even more importantly, the agreement would allow Iran, after ten to fifteen years, to be a nuclear threshold state with the blessing of the world community. Iran would have a green light to be as close, if not closer to possessing a nuclear weapon than it is today. And the ability to thwart Iran if it is intent on becoming a nuclear power would have less moral and economic force.

If Iran’s true intent is to get a nuclear weapon, under this agreement, it must simply exercise patience. After ten years, it can be very close to achieving that goal, and, unlike its current unsanctioned pursuit of a nuclear weapon, Iran’s nuclear program will be codified in an agreement signed by the United States and other nations. To me, after ten years, if Iran is the same nation as it is today, we will be worse off with this agreement than without it.

In addition, we must consider the non-nuclear elements of the agreement. This aspect of the deal gives me the most pause. For years, Iran has used military force and terrorism to expand its influence in the Middle East, actively supporting military or terrorist actions in Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq, and Gaza. That is why the U.S. has labeled Iran as one of only three nations in the world who are “state sponsors of terrorism.” Under this agreement, Iran would receive at least $50 billion dollars in the near future and would undoubtedly use some of that money to redouble its efforts to create even more trouble in the Middle East, and, perhaps, beyond.

To reduce the pain of sanctions, the Supreme Leader had to lean left and bend to the moderates in his country. It seems logical that to counterbalance, he will lean right and give the Iranian Revolutionary Guard (IRGC) and the hardliners resources so that they can pursue their number one goal: strengthening Iran’s armed forces and pursuing even more harmful military and terrorist actions.

Finally, the hardliners can use the freed-up funds to build an ICBM on their own as soon as sanctions are lifted (and then augment their ICBM capabilities in 8 years after the ban on importing ballistic weaponry is lifted), threatening the United States. Restrictions should have been put in place limiting how Iran could use its new resources.

When it comes to the non-nuclear aspects of the deal, I think there is a strong case that we are better off without an agreement than with one.

Using the proponents’ overall standard – which is not whether the agreement is ideal, but whether we are better with or without it – it seems to me, when it comes to the nuclear aspects of the agreement within ten years, we might be slightly better off with it. However, when it comes to the nuclear aspects after ten years and the non-nuclear aspects, we would be better off without it.

Ultimately, in my view, whether one supports or opposes the resolution of disapproval depends on how one thinks Iran will behave under this agreement.

If one thinks Iran will moderate, that contact with the West and a decrease in economic and political isolation will soften Iran’s hardline positions, one should approve the agreement. After all, a moderate Iran is less likely to exploit holes in the inspection and sanctions regime, is less likely to seek to become a threshold nuclear power after ten years, and is more likely to use its newfound resources for domestic growth, not international adventurism.

But if one feels that Iranian leaders will not moderate and their unstated but very real goal is to get relief from the onerous sanctions, while still retaining their nuclear ambitions and their ability to increase belligerent activities in the Middle East and elsewhere, then one should conclude that it would be better not to approve this agreement.

Admittedly, no one can tell with certainty which way Iran will go. It is true that Iran has a large number of people who want their government to decrease its isolation from the world and focus on economic advancement at home. But it is also true that this desire has been evident in Iran for thirty-five years, yet the Iranian leaders have held a tight and undiminished grip on Iran, successfully maintaining their brutal, theocratic dictatorship with little threat. Who’s to say this dictatorship will not prevail for another ten, twenty, or thirty years?

To me, the very real risk that Iran will not moderate and will, instead, use the agreement to pursue its nefarious goals is too great.

Therefore, I will vote to disapprove the agreement, not because I believe war is a viable or desirable option, nor to challenge the path of diplomacy. It is because I believe Iran will not change, and under this agreement it will be able to achieve its dual goals of eliminating sanctions while ultimately retaining its nuclear and non-nuclear power. Better to keep U.S. sanctions in place, strengthen them, enforce secondary sanctions on other nations, and pursue the hard-trodden path of diplomacy once more, difficult as it may be.

For all of these reasons, I believe the vote to disapprove is the right one.”

Congressman Eliot Engel, the ranking Democrat on the U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee, also announced his intention to vote to reject the nuclear deal with Iran.

In a statement obtained by Reuters, Engel said he had raised questions about his concerns about the deal during the negotiations and since the deal was announced on July 1. “The answers I’ve received simply don’t convince me that this deal will keep a nuclear weapon out of Iran’s hands, and may in fact strengthen Iran’s position as a destabilizing and destructive influence across the Middle East,” Engel said.

Schumer’s announcement came hours after his New York colleague, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, came out in support of the Iran deal.

“This deal does not take any military options off the table for the next president if Iran fails to live up to its end of the agreement,” Gillibrand, representing the largest Jewish constituency in the nation, wrote on Medium. “In fact, we will have better intelligence as a result of this deal should military action become unavoidable. But rejecting it and leaving only U.S. sanctions in place without the essential support of the international community will move us closer to military confrontation.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bomb; chuckschumer; eliotengel; iran; israel; lebanon; newyork; nuclear; schumer; steveisrael; terror; upchuckschumer; war; waronterror

1 posted on 08/07/2015 3:33:21 AM PDT by Dave346
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To: Dave346
Ol scheming, scamming upchuck knows where his votes be comin from
2 posted on 08/07/2015 3:39:34 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Dave346
The money line: "But if one feels that Iranian leaders will not moderate and their unstated but very real goal is to get relief from the onerous sanctions, while still retaining their nuclear ambitions and their ability to increase belligerent activities in the Middle East and elsewhere, then one should conclude that it would be better not to approve this agreement."

Iran has no intentions of playing nice. Count on it. They think we're idiots for even considering it.

3 posted on 08/07/2015 3:47:53 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Dave346

I’m very surprised by Schumer’s position.

I would have bet good money that he would have supported the destruction of Israel.


4 posted on 08/07/2015 3:48:32 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: Dave346

Broken clock.


5 posted on 08/07/2015 3:53:37 AM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!")
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To: Balding_Eagle

I could be wrong but chances are that they dont have the votes to overturn the iran deal, and schumer was given the go ahead to vote against the deal so that he can protect and save his political hide. This way he can go back to his constituents and say something along the lines of, “hey, I tried. I voted against it”. This would explain why he took so long to announce his intentions.


6 posted on 08/07/2015 4:38:15 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: ronnie raygun

I thought his statement was very well thought out and reasoned. Of course, he tipped his hat to Obama’s intentions, but then deconstructed the whole thing. His concurrence would have given a lot of Democrats cover that they don’t now have.

Why he did it is anyone’s guess. I think he would have pi$$ed off a lot of NY Jews, but where else do they have to go? No doubt he pi$$ed off Obama, and it may well cost him the Senate Minority (or Majority) leadership post.


7 posted on 08/07/2015 5:01:14 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: lowbridge
I could be wrong but chances are that they dont have the votes to overturn the iran deal, and schumer was given the go ahead to vote against the deal so that he can protect and save his political hide.

Good point.

Although I hope you are wrong, and it will turn out there ARE enough votes to scrap the 2015 Obama/Kerry Terrorist Funding Plan, I suspect that you are not.

8 posted on 08/07/2015 5:25:24 AM PDT by WayneS (Yeah, it's probably sarcasm...)
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To: Balding_Eagle
I’m very surprised by Schumer’s position. I would have bet good money that he would have supported the destruction of Israel.

Chucky has supported every one of Obama's policies up until now. What this tells us is that he's all for the destruction of America, he just draws the line when it comes to Israel. So I don't understand why there's all of this sudden praise for him.

9 posted on 08/07/2015 7:32:46 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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‘Chucky has supported every one of Obama’s policies up until now’

Oh, I am sure he still supports Obama in the Iran deal. But I agre with the others above. He must already know it will be no problem for Obama and is making sure he doesn’t ruin his reelection chances or his entire political future.


10 posted on 08/07/2015 8:21:08 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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11 posted on 08/07/2015 8:37:16 AM PDT by SJackson (C Matthews: should NY State recognize gay marriage? Sen Clinton: "No!" The crowd booed, 2002)
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To: lowbridge

100% correct!!!!


12 posted on 08/07/2015 8:43:29 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Dave346

Eliot Engel who is he and where is he from. I really do not follow the democrats but Engel never ever heard of the guy.


13 posted on 08/07/2015 9:37:17 AM PDT by hondact200
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But of course...
Schumer's announcement came hours after his New York colleague, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, came out in support of the Iran deal.

14 posted on 08/07/2015 10:21:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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