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Cecil: What's going on? [How Zimbabwe sees Cecil the Lion - Romans 1]
Zimbabwe Chronicle ^ | 7/30/2015 | Staff

Posted on 08/03/2015 3:42:46 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski

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To: Jan_Sobieski

Are you denying that Zimbabwe has charged the hunter and has asked for his extradition?


21 posted on 08/03/2015 4:53:53 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Ezekiel
Well I don't see Palmer remaining as a dentist in Minnesota or even Florida. So what can Walter Palmer do now?

Let's assess his skills. He can operate a bow (sort of) and firearm(s).
And as a dentist he's got years of experience at torture and he can cut off heads.

Hey Palmer, ISIS wants you!

22 posted on 08/03/2015 5:01:39 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (EL CHaI)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
What is the point of your screed?

What was your point of posting a rather stupid article from a Zimbabwean newspaper attacking “colonialism” and white people and general, one that was making the case that the only possible reason that anyone who is white and from the West, might be in the least bit interested in Cecil the lion was because the lion was named after Cecil Rhodes, evidently a very bad white man and a colonialist and aren’t we all?

Again. Did you bother reading the entire article before posting it?

23 posted on 08/03/2015 5:02:07 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: Lurking Libertarian

There is talk of extradition....except after reading the terms of that Treaty, I don’t think poaching is a serious enough crime.....certainly not in Africa.


24 posted on 08/03/2015 5:05:11 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: MD Expat in PA

Interesting...you missed the point of the article post by your outrage at some obscure Zimbabwe journalist. Ok. Most readers clearly ascertain that the article was posted to show that the people of Zimbabwe are scratching their collective heads wondering why we are outraged at harvesting an unknown lion.


25 posted on 08/03/2015 5:20:00 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Sacajaweau

I don’t know, no one has ever poached the best lion in the collection before. There certainly was no other lion on my bucket list to visit. He loved people and trusted them. I know he wasn’t a lion in the wild but I only would take pictures and gaze at his beauty and grace and see God’s marvelous work and try to figure out how much God may love them and what its all about. One of my formative movies was Born free. I loved Elsie the lion.


26 posted on 08/03/2015 5:21:28 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Jeremiah Jr

Nah, the dentist will make it through this feigned outrage. All he has to do is work in a state that has normal Americans.


27 posted on 08/03/2015 5:24:38 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: MD Expat in PA

Jan’s gotta be a troll. His reasoning is off the charts, on the low side.


28 posted on 08/03/2015 5:26:51 PM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Lurking Lib, do you disagree with this Zimbabwe news site that questions the outrage?


29 posted on 08/03/2015 5:27:16 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Interesting...you missed the point of the article posted was attacking white people.


31 posted on 08/03/2015 5:28:41 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA

What do you expect from Zimbabwe? Only a Cretan would read the article and interpret it to be a black racial superiority article!?!


32 posted on 08/03/2015 5:32:55 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: colorado tanker
So far as I can tell the hunt did not take place on the game reserve and the dentist had the appropriate licenses.

FWIU, they had a license to hunt a leopard, but not a license to hunt a lion on the private farm located next to the protected preserve that they were hunting on. They baited their vehicle with meat and scented areas and put out bait meat within a half mile or less from the protected reserve and then increasingly farther and farther away from the preserve. OK. I understand that bating is not uncommon when hunting for big game prey animals like lions and leopards, etc., but it sounds to me that they were trying to lure a big cat, not necessarily a lion per say in the area in general but more importantly, purposely any big game off of the protected reserve.

Next they were hunting a night. When they came across Cecil the lion feeding on some of the baited meat they left in the area, the dentist’s hunting guides shown a bright spot light on him and according to some reports told him, “yes it’s not a leopard, but take your shot anyway.” Palmer at that point should have known what they were doing was illegal not to mention that I find that method of hunting, i.e. “jacklighting” and killing an animal while it is feeding, not exactly an ethical hunting method, but he decided to take his shot anyway.

Next, while Palmer claims he didn’t know that the lion was wearing a collar before he shot him with his crossbow (and not lethally BTW) and it may be true that, especially at night while the stupid lion was just eating his free dinner, the collar might not have been visible to them. But after the lion was tracked and finally killed with a gunshot, some 40 hours later, and by Palmer’s own admission, he and his hunting guides removed the collar and tried to destroy or hide it. After taking pictures of Cecil, sans his GPS tracking collar, they next cut off his head to be sent to a taxidermist for Palmer’s trophy and skinned the lion and contrary to what some others her have surmised, did not give the lion meat to the locals for food, but left the carcass to rot in the hot sun because they didn’t want to get caught.

The guide may have problems, but the dentist should not be extradited to one of the most corrupt countries on Earth and the regime of an America-hating dictator.

I do not in any way disagree with you on this. I am not at all for his extradition in this case nor any sort of prosecution here. Zimbabwe is corrupt and their legal system is too. But perhaps Palmer should be denied an entry visa to any country in the future for the purposes of hunting since, even here in the US, he has been caught and fined for hunting illegally, lying about where he killed a bear and moving the carcass to another area to make it appear to have been legal and subsequently fined for it

33 posted on 08/03/2015 5:41:10 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: Boardwalk
Now it will be bittersweet.

So you were going this year or next? 'Cecil' was 13, had you waited any longer you could have seen 'murdered' by younger lions. Nothing worse than a bittersweet bucket list.

34 posted on 08/03/2015 5:42:47 PM PDT by xone
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To: Boardwalk
He loved people and trusted them.

LOL!

35 posted on 08/03/2015 5:43:49 PM PDT by xone
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To: MD Expat in PA

I agree 100 percent.


36 posted on 08/03/2015 5:50:13 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Boardwalk

So you’re an American who believes another American should be extradited to a corrupt, hideous African regime because he hurt Simba? I don’t want to know you so get lost and don’t post to me.


37 posted on 08/03/2015 6:03:50 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: Boardwalk
"I loved Elsie the lion."

Gosh, you sound like maybe the nicest person in the world...I mean, anybody that loved the greatest movie as much as you do is just awesome!

And you probably have that lion's name tattooed over your heart...I can just see it now....'Elsie - always with me'. Damn, I'm getting teary-eyed.

Oh wait.....Elsie was a damned old cow...the lioness was Elsa....my bad. I guess that just means you are just another batshit crazy lefty.

38 posted on 08/03/2015 6:07:18 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Only a Cretan would read the article and interpret it to be a black racial superiority article!?!

Go back and re-read the article and your own post and note that part of what you included in your very own post: “So why so much interest? The name Cecil perhaps, given its historical significance for white monopoly capital in Southern Africa and the West? Many believe the lion was named after Cecil John Rhodes, the celebrated forerunner of British colonialism in Southern Africa, explaining the saturation coverage on the demise of his namesake.”

The article is making the claim that the main or perhaps only reason for the media saturation and coverage here in the West was that the lion was named after Cecil John Rhodes, ergo, by its logical extension and conclusion, that it is racist and reeks of a (and a direct quote) “white monopoly” and of past “colonialism in Southern Africa”.

I too am rather sick and tired of the hype over one dead lion, but this was not the article to make your case.

39 posted on 08/03/2015 6:08:20 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: diogenes ghost

No it just means I didn’t remember all the way...it was lurking there in the background. This just brought it up. You may sue me.


40 posted on 08/03/2015 6:10:48 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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