Trump is Right about Songbird McCain and here’s why

Freedom Outpost ^ | 07/21/2015 | Ed Wood

[oh8eleven]

Though McCain was among them, the REAL POW hero was James Stockdale.
As a VN vet, I'm well aware of Stockdale. He ran for office in 1992 as Perot's Vice President candidate.
IIRC, the lame stream media was grossly disrespectful to him.

[wtd]

Thank you for posting that video. Interestingly, the documentary never audibly mentions McCain by name but does reveal his presence in frame at ff 02:50

[Godebert]

"John McCain is a giant bag of scum; his mouth is a continual sewer of bile, his heart is a decayed rot of dung, his mind a river of filth, and his soul is amongst the damned. He is nothing but a murderous scumbag. His evils are so great, that the words of Trump don't even bother me. McCain is a demon incarnate. His service in Vietnam does nothing to justify the evils he has supported and pushed for."

This guy understands McCain perfectly.

[silverleaf]

Don’t be so sure of that

read this prize-winning historians investigation inot the Forrestal disastrer

She compares McCains version of what went down that day (published in his book “Faith of My Fathers” and other interviews) with other sources and interviews with other eyewitnesses and finds disturbing discrepancies

For example McCain claims the misfired Zuni hit his aircraft....which is false

He claims the missile hit (false) caused his aircraft to release 2 bombs (only one bomb was released) which sent the conflagration into a major disaster and the bomb blast killed many including LCDR Fred White, the pilot in the aircraft next to McCain - whose plane was the one hit by the Zuni. Fred White is airbrushed out of McCains memories and narratives about that day...why?

If McCain’s aircraft was NOT hit by the Zuni missile but McCains aitrcraft released a bomb, sources told the historian it was because McCain hit the wrong switches when trying to get out of his aircraft. I am not an A-4 pilot so cannot vouch for that. But the SkyHawl association does memorialize Fred White as the pilot whose plane was struck by the Zuni.

Now, one would think McCain w9uld remember the facts of that incident...so why the false narrative?

To me the most UNBELIEVABLE fact is that McCain showed up in Saigon drinking scotch and talking to a NYT reporter less than 48 hours after the Forrestal disaster!

The day after this accident - in which he was in the center and saw his squad mates and deck crew killed before his eyes, he left the Forrestal while it was still burning and the dead still missing. He missed the memorial service held for his crew and his unit. Almost the day after the disaster, McCain told reporters in Saigon he was having some “much needed R&R”.

WHAT MILITARY OFFUCER DOES THAT??????

He left his buddies behind, possibly the only officer to leave the ship except for the medivacs. Only after a week did he rejoin his cripple carrier and crew for debriefings in Subic and then jetted off for 3 months of screwing around in Europe (where Dad was the Commander Naval Forces) during the accident investigation, which found no one person at fault. The origin of the aircraft that released its bomb was probably left open (historian states deck camera film was indeterminate and all witnesses except McCain died) .... findings which may have saved his career and gotten the Orisknay to accept him as a pilot - from which he was shot down within weeks by AAA fire (not a SAM, another discrepancy he oddly claims)

I wish someone would ask Mr McCain if he ever visited the family or the grave of LCDR Fred White (buried in Arlington) who like McCain scrambled from his plane and tried to run. but was killed by the bomb blast, unlike the very fortunate McCain who suffered not a scratch nor a burn that was ever documented as being treated

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea

[silverleaf]

see above

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea

[TigersEye]

I saw a different documentary a few years ago, equally or better done, that did mention him and point him out in the film. But his role wasn’t relevant to the cause of the fire or the fighting of it so there is no good reason to mention him.

[Uversabound]

I adore Trump.

I have heard both ends of the spectrum on McCain which gets my caution up.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

We will just have to wait and see.

[silverleaf]

Maybe he still didn’t learn ejection after screwing up getting out of his plane on the Forrestal

[TigersEye]

For example McCain claims the misfired Zuni hit his aircraft....which is false

But a zuni missile did misfire so he didn't cause that.

He claims the missile hit (false) caused his aircraft to release 2 bombs (only one bomb was released)...

The A-4 aircraft only carried one 1,000 pound bomb so the author got that wrong.

I don't know about when he left the Forrestal but the Navy investigators said the fuel tank on McCain's and White's aircraft were hit and that the 1k lb. bombs were old and cooked off in the fuel fire 1 minute and ten seconds faster than the newer bombs they were used to using. You can believe the historian and I'll believe the Navy investigators.

[DJ Taylor]

This email is from and old friend and former POW:

From: Mark ‘Zippo’ Smith
Date: Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:55 AM
Subject: STOP!!!!!

There are no sacred cows in politics able to attack any and all with impunity, take totally dumb positions on some issues and then have others defend them as untouchable.

Senator John McCain is my fellow returned prisoner of war and for his time in prison he and all the rest of us have been honored again and again. Our number run the gamut from incredibly brave to incredibly weak and cowardly. One thing about our number is certain,none of us enjoys any special protection within the political arena. General Eisenhower took off his five stars when he entered the arena and expected no special consideration. When he spoke out on a subject during his political campaigns he expected no flying squad to arrive and defend him based on his wartime service.

I want the country I fought for back.

From illegals with all their kiddies to the supposedly bulletproof few in Washington I say OUT if you snuck into my country and stand on your record today if you wish to attack another and allow nobody else to carry your water for you. John McCain is a man and if he wishes to attack others in the arena they are allowed to bite back. I think John understands that better than many who use him as a stalking horse to attack Trump. Some will use the opportunity to attack John McCain and that is a load of crap also.

WE ALL LOST OUR SACRED COW STATUS LONG AGO!!!!

The other candidates are merely using this tempest in teapot to gain political advantage.

Senator McCain attacked Trump and claimed those supporting him were ‘crazies’ because Trump took a stand on illegal immigration when he did not.

That opened the door and Trump fired back.

GETTING CAPTURED WAS NOT THE HIGHLIGHT OF MY OR ANY RETURNED PRISONER’S WARTIME SERVICE AND YOU HAVE TO LOSE A FIGHT TO GET THAT STATUS.

MOST OF WE RETURNED PRISONERS OF WAR REALIZED THAT OUR COUNTRY NOT ONLY WISHED TO HONOR THE SACRIFICES MADE IN THE COMMUNIST GULAG BUT ALSO WISHED TO MAKE UP FOR ALL THOSE BRAVE WHO FOUGHT THEIR BEHINDS OFF ON BEHALF OF A GENERALLY UNGRATEFUL NATION AND WERE NEVER EVEN THANKED.

WHAT DID TRUMP REALLY SAY?

‘I LIKE WINNERS AND NOT LOSERS.’

In other words honor those who fought and never lost a fight and those who fought and died beside them first.

I fought my wars with relish and spit in the eye of mine enemy in captivity,I require no media or political defenders because my honor stands on it’s own merits.

I come from the generation of leaders who ate last in the chow line and honored their soldiers first.

Just cut the crap and get my country back!

Major Mark A. SMITH,USA,Retired
RPW,Vietnam\Cambodia

[higgmeister]

MORON is too kind a word.

Thanks for the verification regarding the Songbird.

Compare and contrast John McCain with fellow POWs, MOH winner Col. Bud Day or LtGen. John P. Flynn. Compared to these POW veteran heroes, McCain was simply a survivor. John McCain has said that he regretted that he violated the Code of Conduct.

Just for the record, Bud Day was McCain's cellmate for a time at the Hanoi Hilton. My point is that Col. Bud Day was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor and The Air Force Cross for his time as a POW, but John McCain's highest award was a probably undeserved Silver Star.

[wtd]

The Forrestal tragedy investigative video was interesting. The 'truthdig' link offered in above comments however does reveal some troubling aspects which sadly color the final investigative report...specifically,

"The investigation into the Forrestal fire was in the hands of Adm. Thomas Moorer, chief of naval operations and a close friend of McCain’s father."

[TigersEye]

So, specifically, what part of the investigative report was falsified?

[silverleaf]

“The A-4 aircraft only carried one 1,000 pound bomb so the author got that wrong”

It was McCain who claimed to release 2 bombs, It was the historian who caught his narrative on that noting there was only 1 bomb. I leave you to draw your own conclusions about why McCain would state that repeatedly over many years and interviews. As well as state his aircraft was hit by the missile when it was not

“I don’t know about when he left the Forrestal..”
You do know when he left the Forrestal (or could know) because it is in the article I linked in McCains own words, and because the NYT published an interview with him from Saigon 2 days after the accident, with the reporter who had flown out to the Forrrestal to specifically interview the Admiral’s son and who gave him a helo lift back to Saigon. With or without orders from the ship. McCain never did sweat the rules

The curiousity of how McCain ended up in Saigon within 48 hours of such a major disaster intrigued me, which is how I found this article. For normal military, the unit is like the family and who in the Navy leaves their buddies behind in a situation like that???? Not to pitch in or even just stick around for the memorial service for people who worked with you and for you and who died all around you while you walked out without a scratch????? WHO IN THE MILITARY DOES THAT???

I cannot escape the feeling that McCain was a man looking to get out of Dodge. Can only think of one reason why

I don’t think you or I will ever know what the “Navy investigators” found because CNO Admiral Moorer was a personal friend of Jack McCain and these reports always have extensive areas of known, possible, probable and unknown and the decision which words go in the report are often political

But if and when you read the article (which I doubt you will) you will see the historian interviewed eyewitnesses who contradicted McCains version of some events and McCains embellished wanderingss, even minor, from facts are very interesting and revealing

[TigersEye]

I leave you to draw your own conclusions about why McCain would state that repeatedly over many years and interviews. As well as state his aircraft was hit by the missile when it was not

I can conclude that his memory of events had no bearing on his culpability in those events. The investigators also said that the zuni missile hit McCain's A-4.

I don’t think you or I will ever know what the “Navy investigators” found because CNO Admiral Moorer was a personal friend of Jack McCain ...

In that one statement you're smearing Adm. Moorer, Adm. McCain and Adm. Massey. I'm sure they were all in on a coverup of the worst disaster in modern Naval history in order to cover up for one Admiral's son. And Dick Cheney planted explosives in the WTC buildings.

[silverleaf]

I can see you never sat in on a military aircraft loss accident investigation board

The A4 Skyhawk association (among other sources) memorializes Fred White as the pilot whose aircraft was hit by the Zuni. I would suppose they are privy to the facts.

Why would McCain need to claim this for himself and not even mention LCDR White? I can only think of two reasons, neither honorable

http://a4skyhawk.org/content/forrestal-fire

[wtd]

Nothing specific - just tinged by the close relationship between McCain’s father and the lead investigator, taken in conjunction with the odd/troubling revelation of McCain’s immediate departure for “R&R” in Saigon - before funerals for the dead the following morning. Details like this lend very negative optics to the sanitized formal account.
Product of a military heritage, McCain’s low achievement rank at the academy & having crashed two planes and flown a third into power lines in his short Naval career draws one to look beyond the sanitized versions of McCain’s background.

[TigersEye]

I never said that McCain was honest or honorable. In fact I've posted more than anyone else here the evidence that he's not. But the investigators said that both White's and McCain's planes were hit by the zuni rocket.

In your link it says that White was in a aircraft hit by the rocket not that it was the only one hit. I suppose they memorialized him because he died and not McCain because he didn't. It also says 132 people died when all other accounts say that 134 died so I guess even the A4 Skyhawk association can get things wrong.

[TigersEye]

I refer you to my last statement in post #36.