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Trump is Right about Songbird McCain and here’s why
Freedom Outpost ^ | 07/21/2015 | Ed Wood

Posted on 07/22/2015 11:57:01 AM PDT by safetysign

I do realize that everyone from Charles Krauthammer to the recently escaped Mexican drug lord, El Chapo, is piling onto Donald Trump for his straight-forward remarks. Well, being the contrarian that I am, I am going to come down on the side of Mr. Trump!

Do I like him? No. Never have. I don't like his swagger, his cockiness, his arrogance. And I certainly don't care for that mop of comb-over fake hair. But they say the difference between egotism and self-assurance is the ability to produce. By any measure, he certainly wins that contest, both at home and abroad. True, he was born with a silver spoon, but he, and he alone, turned it into gold!

The first thing he did after declaring his presidential candidacy was to observe that Mexico was not sending their "best and brightest" across our southern border. Instead, in Mr. Trump's opinion, they are sending their gang members, their druggies, their serial felons and killers. Certainly, the tragic instance in San Francisco, and others elsewhere, have borne out the truth of his statement.

But the Honorable Senator John McCain (R-AZ) picked a fight by calling him, and others like him, "crazies" for criticizing Mexican immigration. I guess when you are worth $10 BILLION of your own making, you feel free to take issue when a politician calls you crazy! So The Donald retaliated with the statement that getting yourself captured doesn't necessarily make you a hero. "He's a war hero because he was captured? I like people who weren't captured." With that, all hell broke loose in the mainstream media, as well as the Karl Rove dominated Republican establishment -- and the gaggle of GOP presidential wannabes.

But it might behoove us at this point in time to wonder just why would getting captured make you a hero? And why would remaining in captivity make you a military expert, and thus qualified to currently fill the roles of chairman of both the Senate Committee on Armed Services and Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. And one might ask, how has his leadership in both these strategic positions of responsibility been working out for ya'?

Since Mr. Trump expressed his opinion, there is now a whole group of Vietnam veterans who have come forward with statements that highly question the Senator's preferential treatment as the son and grandson of Navy admirals, and his loyalty to his country while in captivity. Some even place him in the Jane Fonda category. Among the allegations are: John McCain was a below average student, getting into the Naval Academy due to his father's and grandfather's influence and naval careers. Both were admirals. McCain was a boozing, smoking, womanizing party animal, graduating fifth from the bottom of his class at Annapolis. John McCain's arms were broken not from being tortured by the North Vietnamese, as he has claimed, but when he improperly ejected from his plane over North Vietnam. According to his fellow prisoners, he was never tortured by the North Vietnamese.

John McCain's nickname among his North Vietnamese captors was "Songbird," as he was eager to tell them anything they wanted to hear to avoid torture. It is claimed that he made 32 propaganda videos for the North Vietnamese in which he blamed the United States for targeting schools, temples, orphanages, and hospitals. McCain has admitted to making one propaganda video.

And from a US Navy Aviator who served with McCain: "His "shoot down" was self-induced, as he DISOBEYED ORDERS and flew well below the 'floor,' getting himself shot down. There were several other jets on that particular mission and he was the only one shot down, because the others obeyed their orders." But if you think these opinions of Senator McCain are somewhat negative, try this one by Theodore Shoebat, Communications Director for Rescue Christians, an organization that is on the ground in Muslim lands, rescuing Christians from persecution, and the author of two books, For God or For Tyranny and In Satan's Footsteps: The Source and Interconnections of all Evil.

"John McCain is a giant bag of scum; his mouth is a continual sewer of bile, his heart is a decayed rot of dung, his mind a river of filth, and his soul is amongst the damned. He is nothing but a murderous scumbag. His evils are so great, that the words of Trump don't even bother me. McCain is a demon incarnate. His service in Vietnam does nothing to justify the evils he has supported and pushed for." The late Daniel Patrick Moynihan said it well: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Mr. Trump expressed his opinion, twice, apparently based upon ample facts. Was it the politically smart thing for him to do? Perhaps not, but isn't it refreshing, for once, to see a candidate for political office speaking his mind, instead of having his thoughts evaluated by a panel of political analysts before expressing them? At least Trump is now branded as a no-holds-barred fighter, a type of leadership our country desperately needs at this time -- and could certainly have used in the recent Iranian nuclear negotiations. Can you imagine the outcome had he been there instead of "Swiftboat" Kerry? The GOP needs for someone to break away from the pack of wilting violets currently running for the 2016 candidacy, and Trump may have just done it! As I write this, the liberally reluctant Washington Post poll shows Trump leading by 24%, followed by Walker at 13, Bush at 12, Huckabee at 8, Rubio at 7, etc., etc. Fasten your seat belts folks, we ain't seen nothing yet!


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: crazies; hero; mccain; trump
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Don't call The Donald's supporters "Crazies". Now turn Trump loose on Hillary.
1 posted on 07/22/2015 11:57:02 AM PDT by safetysign
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To: safetysign

Swagger, cockiness, and arrogance are cardinal sins.

Unless, of course, one is a DemocRAT.


2 posted on 07/22/2015 12:01:39 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Biology is biology. Everything else is imagination.)
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To: safetysign

Can’t wait.


3 posted on 07/22/2015 12:01:51 PM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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To: Arm_Bears
Swagger, cockiness, and arrogance are cardinal sins.

Unless, of course, one is a DemocRAT.

Haven't seen Obama taken to task for it...

4 posted on 07/22/2015 12:06:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: Arm_Bears
Amen To That!

Only DimocRATS are allowed!

5 posted on 07/22/2015 12:10:22 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: safetysign

Wasn’t there a story back during the 08 campaign that McCain released some live ordinance onto the deck of his carrier by pulling the wrong lever before takeoff? I never have though of McCain as a war “hero” Veteran yes, ex-POW yes, Hero, Maybe not.


6 posted on 07/22/2015 12:10:44 PM PDT by BobinIL
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To: safetysign
There is a group similar to the Swift Boaters who tried to point out some of the unpleasant facts about McCain, but no one would listen. If we had, there might not be a President Obama.
7 posted on 07/22/2015 12:11:02 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Peace On Earth! Purity of Essence! McCain/Ripper 2016)
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To: BobinIL
That's the one thing McCain didn't do.

USS Forrestal Aircraft Carrier Disaster

8 posted on 07/22/2015 12:14:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: safetysign

I hope, as things get rolling, Trump says something like “Iran? Yeah I wouldn’t get too fond of that treaty there ayatollah.”


9 posted on 07/22/2015 12:14:34 PM PDT by PeteePie (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: safetysign
Trump is Right about Songbird McCain
Years ago, I read a biography about Col. Oliver North who, IIRC, was in the same class at Annapolis as John McCain.
The book was not favorable to McCain at all, and he was considered a real loser by his peers.
10 posted on 07/22/2015 12:19:34 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: DoughtyOne

Picking off the scab is a revolting horrid act.

The Donald is doing it, and of course, the faint of heart are horrified and revolted.

Political Correctness was the instrument that inflicted the wounds in the first place.

If it takes great wealth, swagger, cockiness and arrogance to begin the healing that needs to be done, then, proceed with the preliminaries.

The Donald is simply filling a great vacuum, a void, that the Republicans have created by their ineptitude and timidity.

Do I like The Donald? No, but The Donald does not care about that. Do I respect The Donald?

Damned straight I do, and to extend this to everyone who chooses to call themselves “American”, that is pay enough for The Donald.

There are plenty of those who are “Americans in name only” that would never be moved to any degree of respect.

It is impossible to buy this kind of publicity.


11 posted on 07/22/2015 12:27:48 PM PDT by alloysteel (If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers.)
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To: BobinIL; TigersEye

On the morning of July 29, 1967, McCain was sitting in the cockpit of his Skyhawk waiting to be launched by the ship’s catapult. Another plane accidentally set off a Zuni missile that hit the fuel tank of McCain’s A-4, touching off a fire that spread rapidly across the ship. McCain managed to escape injury, but 134 sailors died and many others were badly burned. It was the worst U.S. Navy accident since World War Two.

Prior to that, he had three crashes:

The first crash took place during advanced flight training at Corpus Christi, Texas. According to McCain, the engine stalled while he was practicing landings. The plane fell into the water of the bay just off the airfield and knocked him unconscious. McCain woke up and somehow managed to get out of the cockpit and escaped serious injury. Investigators reported that they started the recovered engine without any problem, and their report left open the possibility of pilot error.

The next accident took place in Spain while McCain was assigned to an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean Sea. He tried to fly his propeller-driven A-1 fighter-bomber under a row of pylon-supported electric power lines. This was a “hotdogging” stunt by U.S. pilots in Europe that had caused outrage. McCain’s plane hit and damaged the lines so badly that thousands of people lost power.

In 1965, McCain flew a navy airplane to Philadelphia to attend the Army-Navy football game. On the way back to his base in Norfolk, Virginia, the plane’s engine quit, he said, so he bailed out. The plane crashed and was destroyed.

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The fifth and final one — McCain panicked over target, released his bombs too early, dove to evade an imaginary SAM, and ended up flying far too low and in range of AAA.

In short, and I say this as a combat pilot, he was a complete idiot and failure as a pilot.


12 posted on 07/22/2015 12:32:58 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: oh8eleven

Adding to my post above, I’ll note McCain also made another error in the next four to six seconds after he was hit.

He failed to use the proper procedure he had been taught for ejecting. As a result, he injured himself critically, breaking both arms and his right leg.

MORON is too kind a word.


13 posted on 07/22/2015 12:34:44 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: safetysign

If he’s still on the ballot come May 2016, he’ll get my vote as of right now! Next in line would be Cruz


14 posted on 07/22/2015 12:36:14 PM PDT by southernindymom
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To: alloysteel

I agree with your comments.

It’s interesting to me, human nature and how it works.

People express the desire to have anyone stand up and champion their cause. Oh if only someone would.

Then when someone does, they look for any excuse whatsoever to trash them so nobody will listen to them.

Oh I wish someone would speak out!

Oh I wish someone would stop him from speaking out!

LOL


15 posted on 07/22/2015 12:37:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

There are McQueeg Slurpers right on this very forum, still;

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3313586/posts?q=1&;page=151

Shameful.


16 posted on 07/22/2015 12:37:15 PM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: oh8eleven

Songbird McCain

Watch this video about prisoners held in the Hanoi Hilton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnHkyZxxVTk

Though McCain was among them, the REAL POW hero was James Stockdale. He was tortured, endlessly. They wanted him to make some propaganda films, so he sliced up his forehead with a razor so he wouldn’t be “presentable” to the camera. He received the Congressional Medal of Honor for his patriotism.

McCain was there too, but wasn’t tortured because of his lineage - son of an admiral. He eagerly complied to the Vietnamese requests for propaganda films...


17 posted on 07/22/2015 12:38:17 PM PDT by Paisan
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To: safetysign
Now turn Trump loose on Hillary.

They're good buds.

18 posted on 07/22/2015 12:40:50 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: Jewbacca
In short, and I say this as a combat pilot, he was a complete idiot and failure as a pilot.

I agree. You just can't hang the Forrestal fire on him.
That was something the Progressives tried to do in '08.

19 posted on 07/22/2015 12:42:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: safetysign

I have read that the propaganda films and transcripts of his debriefing notes are available at the prntagon but only if McCain releases them.
Senator, you can easily dispell the “Song Bird “ label by releaseing your records and those videos from the pentagon archieves that you blocked before. Your comments have now reopened the “Hero” questions about you and you have not answered . “Heroes” do extraordinary things and have extreme discipline and valor under fire. You are not a hero sir.


20 posted on 07/22/2015 12:43:43 PM PDT by WENDLE (I'm offended by the rainbow flag. Take it down.)
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