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'China would be the bank and Russia would be the big gun' in Central Asia
Business Insider ^ | July 15, 2015 | Elena Holodny

Posted on 07/16/2015 8:45:02 AM PDT by Navy Patriot

We are seeing the emergence of a dual power structure in Central Asia, with China as the dominant economic power and Russia as the big security player.

Or, as Alexander Gabuev, senior associate and the chair of the Russia in the Asia-Pacific program at the Carnegie Moscow Center, told Foreign Policy: "China would be the bank and Russia would be the big gun."

The confluence comes as Moscow shifts its attention toward Asia after being isolating by the West over the war in Ukraine. China, for its part, is seeking to find new countries it can export goods to as Western demands slows and Beijing transitions its economy.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: china; crimea; donetsk; putinsbuttboys; road; russia; silk; ukraine; vladtheimploder
Both China and Russia have permanent veto power in the Security Council, so there will be effectively no UN opposition to this through the UN.
1 posted on 07/16/2015 8:45:02 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot

Welcome to 1939. The Axis is Russia, China, and Iran.


2 posted on 07/16/2015 8:57:55 AM PDT by datura
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To: SaveFerris; CynicalBear

Revelation 9 comes to mind.


3 posted on 07/16/2015 8:58:57 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (MARANATHA)
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To: Navy Patriot

I hope Gordon Gekko was right with his “Greed is Good” speech (Wall Street, 1987). He ended with the following words:

“...and greed, mark my words, will not only save Teldar paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.”

This is where the rubber meets the road. Will we get ‘greedy’ enough to take our country back and return us to her former glory?


4 posted on 07/16/2015 8:59:48 AM PDT by Paulie (America without Christianity is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Given their expansive and competing visions of what they would like to add to their territory, I suspect this alliance is pro forma only, much like the one between Japan and Germany.


5 posted on 07/16/2015 9:02:50 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Navy Patriot

I don’t know quite how to break this to them but their “big gun” is falling apart at the seams and couldn’t fight its way out of a wet paper sack.


6 posted on 07/16/2015 9:04:02 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: Paulie
Will we get ‘greedy’ enough to take our country back and return us to her former glory?

That's one way to put the important criteria.

America must return to her personal liberty, creative, productive capitalistic, free enterprise, Rule of Law foundations, where government serves the citizen, before we can offer the proper response to alliances like this.

To do this, two sets of crony capitalists (Fascists), and their supporting set of administrative appointed bureaucratic public masters must be defeated and removed.

The Progressive Liberal Socialist DemoRat Party, and...

The RINO GOP-E corrupt crony capitalist ruling elite Party.

Then we can start on the competition.

7 posted on 07/16/2015 9:21:08 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: Zhang Fei
Given their expansive and competing visions of what they would like to add to their territory, I suspect this alliance is pro forma only, much like the one between Japan and Germany.

I expect the plan is to prop one another up, gain strength, and wait.

It just might be a good one.

8 posted on 07/16/2015 9:34:38 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: Lower Deck
I don’t know quite how to break this to them but their “big gun” is falling apart at the seams and couldn’t fight its way out of a wet paper sack.

I know how we can find out.

I also know what Chinese reinforcements did to us in Korea.

9 posted on 07/16/2015 9:40:18 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: Navy Patriot

If the U. S. would only withdraw trade from China, it could collapse in on itself.

People don’t seem to realize it, but the China economic system is holding on by a thread right now. Their banking system is experiencing serious problems right now.

They counted on the big incomes going on forever, and when we took a hit their system was rocked too. It hasn’t recovered.

Whatever happens with Russia and China, it’s our fault, because in an age when it’s easy for anyone to understand, we are financing our own destruction.

Turn off trade with China and it all goes away.

Folks, this is planned obsolescence pure and simple.

The powers that be are intentionally destroying the United Stats.


10 posted on 07/16/2015 10:28:31 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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If the U. S. would only withdraw trade from China, it could collapse in on itself. People don’t seem to realize it, but the China economic system is holding on by a thread right now. Their banking system is experiencing serious problems right now.

Those three statements are correct.

They counted on the big incomes going on forever, and when we took a hit their system was rocked too.

I don't think they counted on forever, as they began serious efforts to safely expand into several other markets more than five years ago.

It hasn’t recovered.

However, China has taken serious measures to mitigate the problems and made several important deals regarding both raw material supply and opening markets.

Turn off trade with China and it all goes away.

Unfortunately, it's not that easy, and probably wouldn't work. There would be huge legal, trade and economic consequences for the US from a large number of players, many our "friends".

Whatever happens with Russia and China, it’s our fault, because in an age when it’s easy for anyone to understand, we are financing our own destruction.

The powers that be are intentionally destroying the United States.

Correct, and China and Russia are farther down on that list than Obama, the Rats, and the GOP-E would have you believe.

11 posted on 07/16/2015 12:47:57 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: Navy Patriot

There may be some risk to those who signed leases or timed agreements.

As a strategic endeavor, I don’t think we have much choice. We simply cannot continue to finance China’s ascension.

I look at all the trade we are conducting with China each month. It’s massive. It is financing the creation of a modern society in a mere couple of decades.

You yank that trade as soon as you can, and China cannot save itself. There’s simply too many irons in the fire.

With full trade right now, China is having a difficult time. Even with diversification, it’s feeling some severe growing pains. I don’t know how it could withstand a hit like the loss of our trade dollars, and continue on in any meaningful way as it relates to global domination.

Massive numbers of it’s populace relocated to the cities based on our trade. That trade goes away and you’ve got massive numbers of very unhappy former workers.

Business loans go unpaid. The private sector expenditures take a massive hit. Payrolls decline massively outside of the manufacturing sector.

In effect, China has happen to it what happened to the U. S.

You can’t pay off debts. You can’t keep your populace employed. The banking system would be in extreme stress in a matter of months if not weeks.

What’s easy to start up and drives your economy as much as U. S. trade did, can’t be lost, or you’re headed back to ground zero.

Our trade comes home and we’re healthy again. We would have full employment in a matter of a few short years.

This is how I see it. Perhaps I’m not seeing the whole picture.


12 posted on 07/16/2015 1:09:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: DoughtyOne
In brief, trade with China is legally interlocked with third party foreign nations under extensive international law and international trade agreements (like NAFTA), regional agreements and sourcing agreements.

The US has agreed to these conditions under law and penalties will be imposed for failure to fulfill these agreements. The courts and venues have little US representation in their bodies, and have regularly seriously penalized and collected from US entities for non compliance resulting from changes in US Government policy.

Refusal to honor and compensate under these agreements would cause massive consequences for the US, and legal isolation from nearly all foreign support, if there is any.

Additionally, this action directed at a single foreign nation, could be ruled an Act of War internationally, authorizing reasonable remedial action against the US, worldwide.

The US would have no LEGAL response available, just force or threat of force. Any foreign nation harmed could legally impose sanctions on the US, for instance, China could close the Panama Canal to US traffic.

I think you see where this is going, the US is not going to be able to lock China out this late in the game and an attempt to do so will have more than disastrous consequences on the US economy and trading position, assuming American traitors like Feinstein, Blum and their foreign collaborators like Soros would allow it.

The US has created our Chinese Frakenstein, and we will play Hell removing him from preferred seating at our own dinner table.

13 posted on 07/17/2015 9:19:18 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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