Posted on 07/07/2015 1:59:00 PM PDT by Taxman
I'm afraid that you are correct. There can be disobedience, but in most cases it will be violent. Peaceful protesters will be villified; shots will be fired into or from the crowd; the police will step in and arrest everyone in sight, like the bikers in that restaurant. Eventually the most active protesters will be punished enough to stop fighting - or they will be unable to fight.
There are only two obvious possibilities here. First, the protesters must make themselves safe enough to fight tomorrow and day after tomorrow. This requires either a weak police or a strong group of protesters. Second, the numbers of protesters can be very high; then the government cannot arrest enough to suppress the protests.
From the Declaration of Independence:
” That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. “
An article 5 convention should also include a mechanism for a Nuremburg style court to prosecute all of those who have violated the constitution and committed treasonous acts.
That’s the sad truth. War is coming. The federal government is completely and totally out of control and NOBODY in Washington DC is going to fix it.
I just hope I’m around when the fudge hits the fan
uh. given the millions of pages of unnecessary and mostly unconstitutional law that you are already subject to (unless of course you’re an illegal alien), you are already practicing civil disobedience. the question is whether or not you want to practice it voluntarily and morally on your own terms or involuntarily and immorally on theirs.
It is well past time for civil disobedience, and I am starting to wonder how civil we should be in that disobedience. FedGov has lost all legitimacy. Obedience, if any, should be determined by self-interest, not by any respect for federal institutions.
I posted something last week and I think its something to soberly reflect upon, not act rashly upon.
The political system is a joke. Our political parties are run by elites as in corporate business elites and they fake people out with Left and Right leaning speeches and propaganda spread by sympathetic media that end disinforming and misleading the public.
My post: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3305590/posts
“...Is it Time for Civil Disobedience?...”
“...What say you?...”
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I have been, and continue to be an ardent supporter of an Article V Convention of the States.
I do not consider my support of an Article V Convention of the States
to be Civil Disobedience; it is, instead, Civil Obedience at its finest.
Most of the public folderol over the recent decisions from the supreme court
seems to be about the gay marriage decision, which was just another mile-marker
in the “long train of abuses and usurpations” of the federal government.
It was less ominous to me than the affordable care act decision, which was an out-and-out lie.
On the one hand,
the court made yet another poor interpretation of the nebulous
and poorly written language of the 14th amendment.
An amendment to the Constitution could fix that.
On the other hand,
the court determined that plain words in black-and-white on paper actually have an opposite meaning.
Based on that, the courts could determine that where the words on paper say:
“Congress shall make no law” it actually means “Congress shall make a law”.
How can you fix that kind of idiocracy, unless you also amend the Constitution to provide
for a method either for Congress to override the supreme court, or for the States to ignore them?
An Article V Convention of the States is the last chance for the nation to survive intact.
It does not need to be violent if enough people participate. The orange revolution in Ukraine is a fine example. Large groups of people who sit in agreement and simply refuse to obey any instructions are a huge problem for anyone except a totalitarian government like the Chinese in Tiannamen Square, or the Iranians a few years ago.
If the idea goes viral, and huge numbers of people reject the legitimacy of a government, and everything is right out there in broad daylight, government falls into paralysis.
Guns and insurrection is what government lives for, they can justify all kinds of actions when that happens.
<>An Article V Convention of the States is the last chance for the nation to survive intact.<>
There is no alternative.
“like the bikers in that restaurant.”
Criminal gangs in a brawl at a bar, over turf and childish clothing emblems are about as far away from civil disobedience as can be imagined. He isn’t talking those turds, he is talking normal non gang members in large numbers simply refusing to obey as Charleton Heston suggested.
This will not elicit shots from the police.
You may not have long to wait
It was time under the Clintons.
I go along with ya. Still in the talking stages.
Here’s how it works. Civil disobedience by the left (occupy Wall Street) will not be prosecuted. Civil disobedience by normal people will incur the wrath of the federal establishment.
Law is enforced unfairly in the USA.
This is men’s work. There are so many good/ excellent thoughts here already. We really have nothing to lose with an Article V, but we know that the Congress and the courts are acting outside the law as it is, so be prepared.. LEOs- esp sheriffs, our military, and patriots still employed- or retired, and our military- active and retired, are essential allies. Violence only with the greatest discretion. …just one mean old gal’s humble opinion.
We have three branches of a federal government that no longer follow the Constitution. Why would they follow an amended Constitution?
You completely misunderstand the process. Amendments coming out of an Article V convention would go to the states for ratification in exactly the same way that amendments proposed by Congress do. Congress would have exactly no say in the ratification of those Article-V-convention-proposed amendments.
‘They’ have divided us into so many groups, (blue red, purple, green, conservative, moderate, liberal, progressive, left, right etc... etc... etc)
It aint gonna happen by design
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