Posted on 06/25/2015 5:41:36 PM PDT by markomalley
Only 18? Do you suppose there’s an OSHA in China?
Yes, there were only 18 attempted suicides in the 27 FoxConn factories employing between 650,000 at the start of the period and 750,000 at the end of the 18 month period. There were 28 attempted suicides in a four year period leading up to and inclusive of the 18 month period with 19 successful suicides in the various factories' employees. . . not all of the suicides actually occurred on FoxConn property, but merely involved FoxConn employees.
And yes, there is an equivalent to OSHA in China. . . and penalty fines for industrial accidents and deaths. For example at the time of those 14 successful suicides, the government required the company to pay the surviving family 10,000 Yuan (About $1,600). That payment only applied if the death occurred on company property.
The suicide number also does not include what were determined by government investigation to be industrial accidents which may or may not include someone who was creative in finding a way to kill themselves.
There are many of them . . . and I am not going to spend my time doing the research for you. Start with regulatory burden and corporate taxation.
You, and many others, are the ones who always claim that businesses leave the US because of regulation and taxes, and not to take advantage of cheap labor.
But none of you ever provide any support for that statement. I take it that you have no support for the statement in terms of actual examples about specific companies. It's just something to say.
Just as I've always known.
Yeah. China really values human life. (sar.)
You can be sarcastic as you like. The US OSHA regulations do not require any payment at all to the families of any killed or injured in an industrial accident from the employer. They leave that to Workers' Compensation Insurance. Instead, our OSHA fines the employer, even if there was no negligence and puts them money in the government's general fund. i'm not sure which approach is better.
There are countries which hold human life in far less esteem than does China. They are improving and the companies them selves are stepping up under pressure from Contractors like Apple who write such worker treatment requirements into their Contracts. My point is basically argue from the facts, not FUD and myth.
I can sue an employer.
Worth repeating.
No, you can't. i've been a CEO and my girlfriend is a Nurse Case Manager for Workers' Compensation. . . and you cannot sue your employer. The Workers' Comp insurance is the only recourse for an injured worker or employee killed on the job. The worker's compensation laws prohibit suing employers. It is your only recourse, unless you can demonstrate negligence. . . and even then it has to be shown to depraved indifferent negligence.
I have gone into this numerous times before on FR. . . and I am not going to do it again for you. Sorry. It’s not worth my time.
Then how was John Manville sued out of existence? Who bought suit against the tobacco companies?
Not by workers. . . customers in the case of the Tobacco companies were allowed to sue for choices that they made to smoke the products despite the clear warnings on the products.
Johns Manville still exists, but the Johns Manville Asbestos cases were for the asbestos containing PRODUCTS they produced, and were product liability suits by those customer workers and down stream on the products, not worker's compensation. The workers for companies that installed, removed, worked with or were otherwise exposed to asbestos were the ones who wound up suing Johns Manville because they could not sue their employers. Over 600,000 exposed workers eventually were involved in the suits and claims from the trust. That TRUST opened up settlements to Johns Manville employees who could show they suffered from Mesothelioma or other Asbestos related diseases. . . but not because of any lawsuits against Johns Manville. Johns Manville had already settled all cases by establishing the Trust in the bankruptcy.
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