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U.S. Navy's Big Mistake -- Building Tons of Supercarriers
Real Clear Defense ^ | 5/28/15 | David Wise

Posted on 05/28/2015 10:37:39 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: lentulusgracchus

No this is just a post from someone who doesn’t understand the military as well as others on the board and was concerned. But another reader assured me that our aircraft carriers are still quite capable. I tend to be a worrier


61 posted on 05/29/2015 6:07:44 AM PDT by dp0622
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Thanks for pointing that out. I was surprised the author failed to mention it in his otherwise excellent article.

If the Japanese had launched a third strike at Pearl Harbor, and taken out the fuel storage tanks, and the submarines, it would have been totally different. Much has been written how the US carriers were out at sea, and the Japanese failed to go after them. One can somewhat understand, and forgive Jap failure to pursue the carriers..why risk losing one or more of your own? but the lack of the 3rd strike wave, which would have be easy for the Japs, was a real mistake.

Everyone forgets that every single drop of diesel and avgas had to be brought in from California. Destroy the tank farms, and the Navy can't deploy. The Coral Sea would not have been possible.

And the Japs for whatever reason ignored the subs, which were tied up like sardines in a row, and could have all been taken out with a few strafing runs.. The subs were the only offensive weapons for nearly two years..

Many say that while Charlie Lockwood didn't win the war in the Pacific, he made victory possible.

62 posted on 05/29/2015 6:13:01 AM PDT by ken5050 (If Hillary is elected president, what role will Huma Abedin have in the White House? Scary, eh?)
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To: piasa

We have increased the cost of going to war against us by huge amounts.

As of this date no country leader has been crazy enough to attack an aircraft carrier group.

The advance of technology will multiply the offensive power of an ac group, not decrease it. Potentially the multiplication factor is at least a magnitude or two.

One does not attack an aircraft carrier. One attacks an aircraft carrier group. Different ball game, major league level.


63 posted on 05/29/2015 6:24:29 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: ken5050

On December 8, 1941, there was more petroleum in Hawaii than in Japan. If they had taken out the storage facilities, the only storage facilities would have been in the hulls of oil tankers, which would no longer be available to ship in oil from California and to Britain. Huge strategic mistake.


64 posted on 05/29/2015 10:20:45 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: RC one
If you cannot answer the question, just say so without all the irrelevant words. Lasers will or will not work on reentry vehicles?

The fact that they are not deployed is almost moot.

65 posted on 05/29/2015 10:45:08 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Hugin

The problem is reloading.


66 posted on 05/29/2015 10:53:04 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69
So, in other words, you think energy weapons aren't in our military's future?

The fact that they aren't deployed is almost moot.

The U.S. Navy Afloat Forward Staging Base (Interim) USS Ponce (AFSB(I)-15) conducts an operational demonstration of the Office of Naval Research (ONR)-sponsored Laser Weapon System (LaWS) while deployed to the Arabian Gulf.

67 posted on 05/29/2015 10:54:20 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

That is your example of a DF-21 killer? You have been reading too much “Popular Mechanics”.


68 posted on 05/29/2015 11:39:36 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: SZonian

I doubt I will learn anything I don’t already know. We learned a lot from the R&D of the B2 but other than that it is a waste of money.


69 posted on 05/29/2015 11:42:29 AM PDT by BBell (Pacifists are the parasites of Freedom)
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To: Jet Jaguar

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70 posted on 05/29/2015 12:10:57 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: doorgunner69

That is my example of a deployed weaponized laser capable of destroying moving targets and tasked with doing just that. 10 years ago, it wasn’t possible. In 10 years, technology will have advanced that much more such that destroying incoming reentry vehicles will be feasible. I doubt that anyone will be launching ballistic missiles at our carriers in the mean time as that would be a full scale act of war. Furthermore, the DF-21 has never been tested against a moving target actively trying to counter it. All that being said, the DF-21 MaRV has a guidance system. Extremely high energy has a way of disrupting guidance systems such that they don’t hit moving targets well. In other words, they don’t have to be killed, just wounded.


71 posted on 05/29/2015 12:14:03 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: hosepipe

Love that... Thanks!


72 posted on 05/29/2015 12:29:25 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: RC one
The navy weapon designers and industry got smart with RAM, integrating IR homing into it. One reliable feature of a supersonic incoming missile will be a nice heat signature.

IMO, rather than trying for a thermal kill of a hypersonic reentry vehicle already hardened against intense heat, start designing terminal IR homing for missile defense.

Rather than thermal kill, I have wondered if high powered microwave HPM might be better suited to zap electronics through ablative nose cones.

73 posted on 05/29/2015 2:08:30 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69

it wouldalready be hotter than hell during reentry. Much of the lasers hob would already be done for it.


74 posted on 05/29/2015 2:13:49 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: hosepipe

More undersea missile launchers - subs and many more drones to the mix of surface ships. Many more large bombers.
More B1 size bombers. Damn the cost. It is nothing compared to rebuilding a city destroyed in an attack. The democrats do not care about the cost of socialist programs.

The enemy can do a sneak attack but they will not be able to destroy our navy. If they destroyed Congress and the White House they would remove the biggest obstacle in the enemies defeat. Look what happened after 9/11.
The democrats wanted to do NOTHING against the enemy.

The answer to any attack is to crush them.
Not give them aid and comfort as the democrats do along with the corrupt media.


75 posted on 05/29/2015 3:02:46 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: minnesota_bound

right


76 posted on 05/29/2015 3:14:15 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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