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Police Rethink Long Tradition on Using Force
New York Times ^ | May 4, 2015 | By MATT APUZZO

Posted on 05/04/2015 8:38:42 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

WASHINGTON — During a training course on defending against knife attacks, a young Salt Lake City police officer asked a question: “How close can somebody get to me before I’m justified in using deadly force?”

Dennis Tueller, the instructor in that class more than three decades ago, decided to find out. In the fall of 1982, he performed a rudimentary series of tests and concluded that an armed attacker who bolted toward an officer could clear 21 feet in the time it took most officers to draw, aim and fire their weapon.

The next spring, Mr. Tueller published his findings in SWAT magazine and transformed police training in the United States. The “21-foot rule” became dogma. . .

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1 posted on 05/04/2015 8:38:42 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

You realize if cops change tactics the desired goal is to force ccw people to do so as well.


2 posted on 05/04/2015 8:41:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

How about instead we just all work hard to get Ted Cruz in the WH, then we won’t have to deal with this nonsense.


3 posted on 05/04/2015 8:42:48 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

But...but...but...isn’t it better to die than to hurt someone’s feelings?</libspeak>


4 posted on 05/04/2015 8:45:19 PM PDT by PROCON (I AM PAMELA GELLER.............(but in manly guy form :-))
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To: Brad from Tennessee

“Hmmm, yes, yes, I see. And how does that make you feeel?, hmm?” - liberal police training manual


5 posted on 05/04/2015 8:46:00 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

“Yes, I understand that you are angry and that is why you are stabbing me. Perhaps we could dialogue instead.”


6 posted on 05/04/2015 8:47:01 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

>> “How close can somebody get to me before I’m justified in using deadly force?”

Answer: It depends upon their color. If they are swarthy (or darker), then they must actually be penetrating you with a knife/bullet/pipe/their Johnson/whatever before you are justified in using force to defend yourself.

If they’re white, they must be within range of a police sniper rifle, or closer, and you may then have your way with them.


7 posted on 05/04/2015 8:47:10 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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8 posted on 05/04/2015 8:48:05 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Pining_4_TX

“We don’t wish to harm you - we want to give you validation of your feelings!”


9 posted on 05/04/2015 8:48:28 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

Good gawd. Sounds just like my relative who is a psychiatrist living in an ashram in TN. I kid you not.


10 posted on 05/04/2015 8:48:43 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (The White House is now known as "Casa Blanca".)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Ok, so the “compassionate” approach will be to pass a law saying that only criminals have the right to use force. After all, they’re the ones so upset that they feel the need to use force. They can’t help themselves. Police have disciplines and self-control. Why give them the option of force? Policemen have jobs and don’t have as much to be upset about as the mental illness or downright evil that drives criminals to use force. Got that? That’s the “progressive” way to control crime, terrorism, you name it.


11 posted on 05/04/2015 8:51:57 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: rockrr

Liberal guilt complex enters the police force with deadly consequences for the cops and for law and order.


12 posted on 05/04/2015 8:52:37 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I think they need to use more force.


13 posted on 05/04/2015 8:54:12 PM PDT by boycott
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Danny Crowe demonstrates the "21 foot rule."


14 posted on 05/04/2015 8:54:23 PM PDT by FredZarguna (On your deathbed you will receive total consciousness. So I got that goin' for me.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I hope this pastes correctly.

http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=CyBcHUe4WeQ


15 posted on 05/04/2015 8:56:12 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (The White House is now known as "Casa Blanca".)
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To: Pining_4_TX

I believe politispeak calls is “interface”, now.


16 posted on 05/04/2015 9:02:38 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (The White House is now known as "Casa Blanca".)
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To: boycott
I read the article and I came away with a different opinion. My take away is that the cops don't train enough with preventing situations that require them to decide to "kill or don't kill." Think about how many cases we see on this website where a cop goes "full tactical" for no good reason.

The 21 foot rule is still good (in fact I would use the 40 foot rule- remembering that you don't have to pull the trigger). If cops focus on setting up a situation where a confrontation is not required we'll have fewer situations where cops shoot people.

I have always thought that a cop that draws his pistol, but keeps it at his side, gives himself time to evaluate the situation until the last second. If a cop waits until the last moment to draw his weapon, there is a good chance he'll reactively pull the trigger when the sights are on the target.

18 posted on 05/04/2015 9:05:10 PM PDT by fini
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Maybe thugs misunderstood. They thought it was “in yo face”.


19 posted on 05/04/2015 9:06:01 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: FreedomStar3028

I am all for a conservative in the WH but presidents dont run local pd’s. Nor should they.


20 posted on 05/04/2015 9:07:05 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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