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Obamacare for Your IRA
National Review ^ | 4/27/15 | John Berlau

Posted on 04/27/2015 3:06:57 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: justlurking

Check out “MyIRA”


21 posted on 04/27/2015 5:40:59 AM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: justlurking
... one small change: ban company stock funds from 401(k)'s.

There is nothing inherently wrong with investing in one's own company -- as long as that's not the only investment. Perhaps place a percentage cap on how much you can direct to company stock.

22 posted on 04/27/2015 5:41:23 AM PDT by ken in texas
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To: markomalley

I knew he would get a high paying job, compliments of the democrat party.


23 posted on 04/27/2015 5:42:17 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: silverleaf

depends on what you’re putting there.

if it’s cash, they can steal it anyway.


24 posted on 04/27/2015 5:42:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: markomalley

Thanks for posting this. We need to make sure our reps know about this.


25 posted on 04/27/2015 6:15:19 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: ken in texas
There is nothing inherently wrong with investing in one's own company -- as long as that's not the only investment. Perhaps place a percentage cap on how much you can direct to company stock.

That's a reasonable compromise. But, it should be a relatively low percentage.

Some companies invest any company match or profit-sharing contribution to a 401(k) in the company stock fund. I don't see a problem with that, as long as the owner can reinvest it into something else relatively soon (as in, within 12 months).

A lot of Enron employees lost everything because they had put their entire 401(k) into company stock, with the encouragement of company management. That's an extreme case, but a good example of what can happen: you lose your job AND your financial cushion at the same time.

26 posted on 04/27/2015 6:15:42 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Gen.Blather

But, but, there is no inflation! More QE, and for our safety no more gold investments in our retirement.


27 posted on 04/27/2015 6:18:21 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: kevslisababy
Check out “MyIRA”

That's MyRA, not MyIRA: https://myra.treasury.gov/

It's nothing more than a low-cost alternative for people that don't have access to a 401(k) at work.

The investment option (US Treasury Bonds) isn't great, but it's better than a deposit savings account. And, after 30 years, or reaching a balance of $15,000, it's converted to a Roth IRA account, where the holder can invest in anything. Or, the holder can convert it to a Roth IRA at any time.

So, tell me: how exactly is this "confiscation"? If I had been able to do this with my Social Security contributions, I'd have about $1,000,000 today, tax-free. That's not a rough estimate: I've actually done the calculations, using the average annual rate of return by long-term US Treasury Bonds each year and reinvesting dividends along with my contributions.

28 posted on 04/27/2015 6:27:00 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: justlurking

It is my understanding that your “investment” will be in government bonds, no other choices.

When you die, the government keeps 1/2 of your funds, unlike an IRA or 401K where you can pass the entire amount on to your heirs.

Also, there was talk about giving us an IOU for the value of our retirement accounts on August 8, 2008, then they would take that, in our name, and invest it in the govt bonds.

Im not a financial whiz, but I don’t trust the govt one bit to watch out for my retirement funds. It will be a second generation Social Security piggy bank for them. They have proven untrustworthy.


29 posted on 04/27/2015 6:51:18 AM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: SkyPilot

what makes you think people will surrender it?
Dang, mine got dropped in the Bay while I was out boating

Just wait out the tyrant, pass it to your kids or theirs

an underground or alternative market will evolve and gold will always have value

and most of the American people will always be smarter than their government masters- at least those that still have the genetic material of the settlers who came here for that reason


30 posted on 04/27/2015 6:56:39 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Bucky14

stick to your plan!


31 posted on 04/27/2015 6:57:24 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: kevslisababy
It is my understanding that your “investment” will be in government bonds, no other choices.

If you keep it in the MyRA account, that's the only choice. But, you can convert it to a Roth IRA at any time. Read the URL I posted earlier, it has the details.

When you die, the government keeps 1/2 of your funds, unlike an IRA or 401K where you can pass the entire amount on to your heirs.

No. I don't know who told you this, but it's wrong.

Also, there was talk about giving us an IOU for the value of our retirement accounts on August 8, 2008, then they would take that, in our name, and invest it in the govt bonds.

Like I wrote earlier, this was testimony from a left-wing professor to a committee, that was quickly forgotten by everyone except the conspiracy theorists. It didn't go anywhere, so please stop beating that dead horse.

Im not a financial whiz, but I don’t trust the govt one bit to watch out for my retirement funds. It will be a second generation Social Security piggy bank for them. They have proven untrustworthy.

You don't have to trust the government. You can do it yourself, or hire someone to do it. It's not hard -- it just requires patience and perseverance.

What is REALLY dumb is not taking advantages of the tax incentives, especially the Roth IRA. And if your company matches any part of a 401(k) contribution, you are essentially giving up free money.

32 posted on 04/27/2015 7:05:57 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: markomalley
No evidence indicates that he is, but the authors of DOL’s sweeping new seven-part group of regulations that would sharply curtail choices of assets and investment strategies in 401(k)s, IRAs, and other savings plans appear to share Gruber’s mindset on the “stupidity of the American voter” (a revelation that Rich Lowry aptly described as “an unvarnished look into the progressive mind, which . . . favors indirect taxes and impositions on the American public so their costs can be hidden, and has a dim view of the average American”).

The stupid American voters elected Obama twice and continue to re-elect the likes of Boehner, McConnell, Graham, McCain, etc., year after year. Seems to me that Gruber's comment is spot on.

33 posted on 04/27/2015 7:11:56 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: SkyPilot

What gets me is when FDR confiscated citizen’s gold, most just sheepishly complied, and that was before all our liberties had been taken away by big federal gov’t. Now it would be easy pickens.


34 posted on 04/27/2015 8:06:46 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: fatnotlazy

Gold lost value here because the dollar has risen in comparison to other currencies.


35 posted on 04/27/2015 8:08:15 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Bucky14

In another fifty years, that may be worth something!


36 posted on 04/27/2015 9:02:09 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: silverleaf
an underground or alternative market will evolve and gold will always have value

Gold will always have value, and I think after the next coming crash (I am voting for this autumn), gold will skyrocket for awhile. However, I view the future through a Biblical lens. That is my vantage point. The Bible clearly tells us that someday (I don't know exactly when) the entire world will shift to not only a one world currency, but it will be illegal (to the point of torture and death) to go off "the system" in any way. That is what Revelation 13 and other Biblical passages clearly tell us.

What is also coming is a famine and global crash so bad that it will take everyone an entire day's wages to purchase one loaf of bread. Gold and silver will not save us - only faith in God.

Further, I anticipate Obama to exploit any fiscal crash that might happen in the next year or two to his maximum advantage. I can fully anticipate him announcing that anyone caught holding or trading in gold or silver will be imprisoned and their entire assets forfeited. The millions who have nothing will cheer his announcement uproariously. Homes will be raided. Safety deposit boxes turned over to Federal agents. Electronic bank accounts will be frozen. In fact, I believe the preparations are already complete for this to be carried out.

37 posted on 04/27/2015 11:14:44 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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