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To: presidio9
Polish President Bronislaw Komorwoski called the comments an “insult to thousands of Poles who helped Jews.” The prime minister, Ewa Kopacz, added, “To those who are incapable of presenting the historic truth in an honest way, I want to say that Poland was not a perpetrator but a victim of World War II.” And the American ambassador in Warsaw did a full grovel. He rebutted the notion that “Poland, or any other countries other than Nazi Germany, bear responsibility for the Holocaust.” He called it “a mistake, harmful and insulting.” He cannot have read the same speech I did. Nowhere in Comey’s speech did he blame Poland for the Holocaust. He simply mentioned “accomplices,” of which Poland had its share.
....Poles, she says, pictured themselves as either saviors or martyrs – but never collaborators. “It was difficult for the majority of Poles to accept the fact that there were these criminals among them, as in Jedwabne. There were even eminent historians who desperately looked for evidence to prove that it was the Germans who did the killing in Jedwabne. There was a psychological barrier that needed to be overcome, the belief that Germans can be cruel but not Poles. The positive result of this controversy was that lots of Poles faced this revelation and this gave stimulus to further research....

....In a survey conducted just before coming to the conference Sulek asked people, “Which groups have too much influence in Poland?” The respondents included politicians, business circles and the Catholic Church. Only 2 percent of those surveyed mentioned Jews. But when asked specifically to assess the scale of Jewish influence, 23 percent answered “too much.” “This experiment shows that sometimes it is enough to directly refer to the ‘Jewish matter’ to activate anti-Semitic thinking,” says Sulek. “However, there is room for moderate hope. Eight years ago, 43 percent said Jews had too much influence.”
-- from the thread Poles Confront the Dark Side [lifting the silence around anti-semitism in Poland]


10 posted on 04/21/2015 4:30:27 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

“Nowhere in Comey’s speech did he blame Poland for the Holocaust. He simply mentioned “accomplices,” of which Poland had its share.”

So did Judaism. There were Jews who cooperated with the Nazis against other Jews. It was a Jewish spy for the Gestapo who turned in Gad Beck, for instance.

And Stella Kubler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_K%C3%BCbler

Over 1000 Nazi Jewish spies in Poland alone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BBagiew
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_13

The stories of Finnish Jews (including a woman) getting Iron Crosses from the Nazis has always struck me: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/museums/10682975/The-Jews-who-fought-for-Hitler-We-did-not-help-the-Germans.-We-had-a-common-enemy.html

Historian Bryan Mark Rigg says that 150,000 Jews or half-Jews served in Hitler’s armies. http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/jewishlife/JewishSoldiersMark.htm


23 posted on 04/21/2015 4:50:07 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Alex Murphy

There are also numerous incidents of Jews who survived the concentration camps returning to their homes, only to be murdered by the Polish families now living in those homes. Estimates run between 1000 and 2000 dead.


34 posted on 04/21/2015 5:16:29 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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