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Cruz Won’t Reply to NYTimes Calling His Views ‘Strange’- He’s Got 5 Proud Americans to Do it For Him
Independent Journal Review ^ | 4/21/15 | Katie LaPotin

Posted on 04/21/2015 4:30:49 AM PDT by markomalley

Sen. Ted Cruz is firing back at The New York Times for calling his support of the Second Amendment “strange” by reminding the paper that he wasn’t the only “ridiculous” one who felt that way about gun rights.

The Texas Republican penned an op-ed for National Review on Sunday, featuring quotes from five gun-loving American patriots, driving home the message that if guns were OK with them, then guns must not be all bad.

Cruz wrote:

“The writer, the lead editor for the Times’ editorial page, continued, ‘I just don’t get the argument on constitutional or historical grounds’.”

“Perhaps this will help. Let’s survey some other ‘silly’ people who have embraced this heretical understanding of our liberties.”

So here we go. Courtesy of Sen. Cruz, five Americans who said they were okay with guns.

1) Thomas Jefferson

“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms…”

2) Alexander Hamilton

“But if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights..,”

3) Noah Webster

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.”

4) Justice Joseph Storey

“The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.”

5) James Madison

“The only refuge left for those who prophesy the downfall of the State governments is the visionary supposition that the federal government may previously accumulate a military force for the projects of ambition. The reasonings contained in these papers must have been employed to little purpose indeed, if it could be necessary now to disprove the reality of this danger. That the people and the States should, for a sufficient period of time, elect an uninterrupted succession of men ready to betray both; that the traitors should, throughout this period, uniformly and systematically pursue some fixed plan for the extension of the military establishment; that the governments and the people of the States should silently and patiently behold the gathering storm, and continue to supply the materials, until it should be prepared to burst on their own heads, must appear to every one more like the incoherent dreams of a delirious jealousy, or the misjudged exaggerations of a counterfeit zeal, than like the sober apprehensions of genuine patriotism.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; tedcruz
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1 posted on 04/21/2015 4:30:49 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Good Morning FReepers. I just LOVE this guy :) :) I don’t want a primary challenge or runoff. I want TED CRUZ!! This is the BEST retort I have seen in years to a liberal argument. And I don’t even own a gun lol. I HATE that about New York CityUSSR


2 posted on 04/21/2015 4:34:09 AM PDT by dp0622
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To: markomalley

But the Times doesn’t care about those “old guys.” Most of the staff probably doesn’t even know who those guys were.

And who cares about the Constitution? It’s so yesterday.


3 posted on 04/21/2015 4:35:55 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: markomalley

Never take a NY Times writer to a Cruz fight.

When they punch you, punch back twice as hard. Even a NYT reporter will figure it out after a while.


4 posted on 04/21/2015 4:37:01 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: dp0622

NYT: Oh, but times were different way back then!

Cruz & Co.: Yes, but people remain the same.


5 posted on 04/21/2015 4:37:37 AM PDT by JJ_Folderol (Diagonally parked in a parallel universe...)
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To: markomalley

The NYT is perverse. Stalin’s best friend, historically an abetter in genocide.


6 posted on 04/21/2015 4:38:43 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: dp0622

You may luv him but because Saint Karl Rove doesn’t. . .well. . .that’s enough for me. . .no Cruz!

(Do I have to, do I REALLY have to add the /sarc tag?)


7 posted on 04/21/2015 4:40:47 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: dp0622

he is making one big assumption, the Times has a clue who those guys are. Would not be surprised if they had dispatched reporters to find out which tea party group these ‘terrorists’ are in.


8 posted on 04/21/2015 4:41:06 AM PDT by Irishguy
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To: The_Media_never_lie

If it weren’t for FR, I wouldn’t have a clue what NYT says. Won’t even click on their link.


9 posted on 04/21/2015 4:43:23 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: hitting your target.)
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To: dp0622

Like other big city liberal papers, the NYT would like to lure Ted into debate on their pages.

Iowa’s new senator Joni Ernst ignored the Des Moines Register’s demand for a chat with its editorial board, setting the correct example for other conservatives...


10 posted on 04/21/2015 4:45:50 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: JJ_Folderol

Isn’t it actually kind of amazing how time have hanged so little. The founders knew men wouldn’t change. Their writing span the test of time. Just replace Redcoats with DHS or HHS


11 posted on 04/21/2015 4:46:31 AM PDT by dp0622
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To: Irishguy
Would not be surprised if they had dispatched reporters to find out which tea party group these ‘terrorists’ are in.

Since you mentioned it:

Defense Department Teaching Documents Suggest Mainstream Conservative Views “Extremist” (2013)

Defense Document Suggests Colonists Fighting British Rule were members of “extremist movement” 

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today that it has obtained educational materials from the Department of Defense (DOD) depicting conservative organizations as “hate groups” and advising students to be aware that “many extremists will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place.” The documents repeatedly cite the leftwing Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as a resource for identifying “hate groups.”

Judicial Watch obtained the documents in a response to a Freedom of Information Act request (FOIA) filed on April 8, 2013. The FOIA requested “Any and all records concerning, regarding, or related to the preparation and presentation of training materials on hate groups or hate crimes distributed or used by the Air Force.” Included in the 133 pages of lesson plans and PowerPoint slides provided by the Air Force is a January 2013 Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute “student guide” entitled “Extremism.”  The document says that it is “for training purposes only” and “do not use on the job.” Highlights include:

  • The document defines extremists as “a person who advocates the use of force or violence; advocates supremacist causes based on race, ethnicity, religion, gender, or national origin; or otherwise engages to illegally deprive individuals or groups of their civil rights.”
  • A statement that “Nowadays, instead of dressing in sheets or publically espousing hate messages, many extremists will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place.”
  • [W]hile not all extremist groups are hate groups, all hate groups are extremist groups.”
  • Under a section labeled “Extremist Ideologies” the document states, “In U.S. history, there are many examples of extremist ideologies and movements.  The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule and the Confederate states who sought to secede from the Northern states are just two examples.”
  • In this same section, the document lists the 9/11 attack under a category of “Historical events.”
  • [A]ctive participationwith regard to extremist organizations is incompatible with military service and, is therefore prohibited.” [Emphasis in original]
  • The document details the “seven stages of hate” and sixteen “extremists’ traits.”
  • The SPLC is listed as a resource for information on hate groups and referenced several times throughout the guide.
  • Of the five organizations besides the SPLC listed as resources, one is an SPLC project (Teaching Tolerance) and one considers any politically or socially conservative movement to be a potential hate group (Political Research Associates).
  • Other than a mention of 9/11 and the Sudan, there is no discussion of Islamic extremism.

In April 2013, following a terrorist shooting at the Family Research Council (FRC) headquarters that occurred in August 2012, Judicial Watch filed multiple FOIA requests to determine what, if any, influence SPLC’s branding of hate groups had on government agencies. On its website, the SPLC has depicted FRC as a “hate group,” along with other such mainstream conservative organizations as the American Family Association, Concerned Women for America, and Coral Ridge Ministries. At the time of the shooting, FRC president Tony Perkins accused the SPLC of sparking the shooting, saying the shooter “was given a license to shoot … by organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center.”

Though the document released today by Judicial Watch was obtained from the Air Force, it originated in a DOD office and is, therefore. thought likely to be used in other agency components.

“The Obama administration has a nasty habit of equating basic conservative values with terrorism.  And now, in a document full of claptrap, its Defense Department suggests that the Founding Fathers, and many conservative Americans, would not be welcome in today’s military,” said Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton.  “And it is striking that some the language in this new document echoes the IRS targeting language of conservative and Tea Party investigations.  After reviewing this document, one can’t help but worry for the future and morale of our nation’s armed forces.”


12 posted on 04/21/2015 4:47:16 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: dp0622

While Obamao spent his time chooming Cruz was studying...


13 posted on 04/21/2015 4:49:41 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (‘You can avoid reality, but you can’t avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.’)
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To: tgusa

If I were in NYC, I might see an article. Covered in bird poop. I have parakeets.


14 posted on 04/21/2015 4:49:52 AM PDT by BigEdLB (They need to target the 'Ministry of Virtue' which has nothing to do with virtue.)
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To: markomalley; dp0622

Well well, Cruz can lay on the rhetoric to the Leftists. Nice to see he can slug it out in the media.

Now let’s hear about his policy positions.


15 posted on 04/21/2015 4:50:03 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

hey don’t make fun of the ny times. the Sunday edition is huge and great for emergency toilet tissue, laying it out for the pigeons, bowing your nose, and if its thick enough, rolling it up and beating a liberal. ,


16 posted on 04/21/2015 4:53:34 AM PDT by dp0622
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To: markomalley

I find the views of NYTimes extremely “STRANGE”...

Only the NYTimes,communists,fascists,marxist,leninist and islamists here and around the world would disagree, it is very strange to them that mere human beings should have the right to defend themselves against tyrannical government.


17 posted on 04/21/2015 4:53:57 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

would have LOVED to see those two debate!!


18 posted on 04/21/2015 4:54:42 AM PDT by dp0622
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To: markomalley
This is what passes for liberal "logic" today. A candidate, Cruz, states per the constitution that citizens have the right to be armed against a possible tyrannical government, and that makes the candidate crazy. It's not just the Slimes. It's virtually every lib rag or scribbler who laughs at the constitution.

They simply can't imagine a circumstance where the average citizen might need a firearm to protect him or herself and their family against some kind of danger. I don't think even the libs of fifty years ago were quite as crazy as the people at the Slimes and other lib rags.

19 posted on 04/21/2015 4:55:22 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
setting the correct example for other conservatives...

You know, I wish others WOULD do that: shut out the Leftist Media until they learn what their business is supposed to be - and not propaganda.

20 posted on 04/21/2015 4:56:23 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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