Internet gun sales in Oregon creating dangerous, unregulated market, report claims

oregonlive.com ^ | 4/7/2015 | Jeff Mapes

[rktman]

The report from Everytown for Gun Safety said that sellers using just four popular websites may be transferring as many as 25,000 guns a year in Oregon without conducting criminal background checks.

Everytown also conducted a sting-like operation by posting 17 ads that had inquiries from 11 people with criminal records who are legally prohibited from buying firearms. Among them were two felons with a record of methamphetamine use as well as two others with domestic violence convictions.

[rktman]

A sting "like" operation? Were any of these "denied" folks info turned over to the LEO's for follow up? Probably not since the mumunists aren't really concerned with criminals actions. And how did they know these people had criminal records? Did they do a nics through a licensed dealer and pay for the check? In light of this soft market, I'm gonna see if I can get a couple of Ma Deuces drone delivered to me.

[willyd]

Those aren’t sting like operations, it was either a felony by the purchasers with the criminal records or a straw purchase attempt by Everytown.

Why hasn’t the DA been notified?

[rktman]

“Why hasn’t the DA been notified?” LOL! Really? Ain’t no chance they’ll take any type of action against nannie bloomers or the momunists ‘cause they’re doing all this to save the chirrun. (up to age 24?)

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Among them were two felons with a record of methamphetamine use

"You gotta problem with that?"

[factoryrat]

It's an unspoken fact that there's more unregistered firearms in eastern Oregon and Washington, than there are people. I think it's an unwritten rule that everyone living out here has to have at least one functional firearm in their possession at any given time.

Oh, and for all of you hand-wringing worry wart types, this fact is not lost on any of the felons who may be in our midst.

[Myrddin]

BS. I've purchased from an online seller. The firearm must be shipped to a licensed FFL. You have to fill out the 4473 at the FFL store and do the same background checks as with any retail purchase in that store. You also pay the receiving FFL a "transfer fee" for performing the service of receiving the goods and doing the paperwork. It is regulated exactly the same way as any standard retail FFL operation.

[Yo-Yo]

So how did Everytown know the respondents were prohibited persons? Did these felons give Everytown their Social Security numbers for background checks?

[rktman]

Um, is there a registration requirement in OR/WA? I only ask because you said “there’s more ‘unregistered’ firearms in eastern Oregon and Washington,”. I’m not sure there is such a requirement. Yet! In NV the only place is Clark County (Vegas) but no requirement in the rest of the state. And, the current legislative session is trying to toss out the Clark County req.

[Billthedrill]

Under federal law, people are not allowed to buy firearms over the Internet without going through a licensed dealer who can conduct a background check.

Correct.

However, sellers and buyers from the same state can meet on the Internet and complete their transaction in person without a background check.

This is known as a "private sale". "Meeting on the Internet" has absolutely nothing to do with it. If the seller advertised by smoke signal it would not be a "smoke signal sale". It would be a private sale.

Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, told the Legislature last week that his group found one Internet ad for an Oregon seller offering a Ruger 10/22 for sale with "no background check."

I'll bet they did. I'll bet even more that they put it there.

[rktman]

Guess they’re talking ARMLIST.COM which is basically almost all private sales and not “dealer” sales. I’ve done on line purchases several times and yes, we did have to go the whole nine yards each time.

[rktman]

OMG! Did they check the classifieds in the local fish wrapper? NEWSPAPER GUN SALES GO UNCHECKED!!!

[VeniVidiVici]

I’m waiting for Bloomberg’s anti-gun group to go trolling through the slums to see if they can find any guns to buy without background checks.

[RightOnTheBorder]

Lets say they institute universal background checks. Felons buying guns already know they are committing a crime. The will simply go from lying to a legit private seller to buying from an illegal private seller, the same way they get their drugs. Same number of guns in the hands of people who can’t legally own them only now instead of transfers from legit citizens who are likely to keep records of the sale you get a completely illicit transaction. While I would argue that universal background checks would have a negligible impact on crime, if there is any difference this makes Oregonians less safe, not more.

[PapaBear3625]

BS. I've purchased from an online seller. The firearm must be shipped to a licensed FFL. You have to fill out the 4473 at the FFL store and do the same background checks as with any retail purchase in that store. You also pay the receiving FFL a "transfer fee" for performing the service of receiving the goods and doing the paperwork. It is regulated exactly the same way as any standard retail FFL operation.

If the firearm is shipped, especially to another state, then you are correct.

If the buyer and seller are in proximity to each other, and decide to physically meet in order to complete the sale, then it's just like any other local private sale, even if they came into contact with each other via the internet.

[MileHi]

There was a website here that had private sales before CO passed the stupid law that ALL sales have to be checked. I made face-to-face purchases from there. Also from ads in the newspaper.

[rktman]

Well, we know from nannie bloomer comments at the ASS-PEN institutes recently that he doesn’t think minorities have any business possessing guns anyway. Geez, ain’t that racis’?

[PapaBear3625]

Lets say they institute universal background checks. Felons buying guns already know they are committing a crime. The will simply go from lying to a legit private seller to buying from an illegal private seller, the same way they get their drugs.

We already have millions of illegal aliens in the US using stolen identities. So they simply acquire another fake ID, buy a whole bunch of guns, sell them, and dispose of the ID they used.

[Myrddin]

Idaho allows private sales. My wife did one. Didn't care for the quality of the firearm. She traded it for a better one at a local FFL. Standard paperwork on the follow up transaction.