When O is done... Iran will be able to defeat us.
My understanding is that there are new, totally non-acoustic methods of ASW tracking that are reliable and increasingly inexpensive.
I mean theoretically the sub could be completely SILENT and some adversaries can still get a good idea of where the subs are, almost continually.
Utility of carriers sunsetting now..?
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Why is this unclassified? Oh that’s right, to embarrass the United States, I forgot.
Since when is Florida in the North Atlantic?
We should have learned from WW II.
A friend of mine (Lt Cmdr - Navy) and I were walking UNDER the USS JFKennedy (CV67). It was “up” in dry dock. (It makes the hairs on your head tingle when you walk under it! :-) But I said to him, “Wow, this thing is so huge, how could the bad guys ever sink it?!!” He said, “If you know where to throw the hand grenade, it isn’t too difficult!” Of course I laughed along with him ... but I also never forgot what he said! This reminded me of that day long ago.
I see the US didn’t have a fast-attack sub on station for this excercize - French sub would have gone down without even a whimper.
It used the Denali s a het came up between the screws and them made a run on the Roosevelt and shot from the hip Text book
Ok these “games” are ridiculous. The sub starts out a few miles from the CVBG in almost perfect position. This does not reflect reality. In a hot war scenario a US CVBG would not go into a high “probability” area for a sub to begin with. Every subs position form the time it leaves port to the time it returns from patrol is tracked. Thru classified means, the subs AOP-Area of Probability would be calculated and AOP plotted. Now the better the ASW tracking the smaller the AOP. Sometimes the bad guy is lost and the AOP’s do get big until it is located again and it’s AOP shrinks again(a new datum is established). CVBG’s do NOT GO INTO AOP’s unless the mission is super critical. ASW is a game of statistics and probability. These fictitious exercises are stupid.
Active Duty ping.
Blah blah blah blah. Same story every few years with a different nationality attached to it. Must be appropriations time.
The Sub zeroed in on an unusual Sound coming from our Aircraft Carrier, James Taylor singing “You’ve got a Friend”.
We have been in a “it can’t happen to us” peacetime mindset since the cold war ended. Meanwhile, Red China has become a credible military threat and little guys such as Iran & N. Korea have got the a-bomb and rockets that can reach our shores in a few years. Russia isn’t likely to attack us, but is selling arms & tech to our likely rivals just to make trouble.
Our Navy carriers face a loss of one or two in the first days of a war now, plus our boomer & attack subs are losing the ability to hide at sea due to new tech.
We still need a land based ICBM force as a last step deterrent should all else fail, but we haven’t upgraded it in years. Our heartland is facing incoming rockets should a real war start—where is our iron dome?
Peace is best held with a potent war fighting ability, do we still have it?
Your attention to this thread, please.
Things don’t always turn out in war, or war games, the way they stack up on paper. Its just that simple.
If we had a big war, we would lose carriers. That’s why we have more than one.
Han Solo: Good against remotes is one thing. Good against the living, that's something else.
1. S-3B Viking carrier based, dedicated ASW asset retired early with no replacement.
2. Dedicated MH-60R helos are too few and do not have the range or loiter time to do the job the S-3B used to do. The MH-60R is the only afloat ASW asset.
3. Dedicated P-3C land based ASW is being phased out and retired in favor of P-8A and Broad Area Maritime Surveillance [BAMS] drone (the MQ-4C Triton drone is based on the RQ-4 Global Hawk).
4. If the total P-8A/BAMS (drone) package would have been procured, the bottom line is the replacement would not have made up the loss of the P-3C’s. As it is, both programs are late and over budget. This translates into FEWER of either type being purchased and put into service.
5. The fast attack sub community [at least one is assigned to each carrier or amphibious battle group] is facing block retirements of boats with no replacement and soaring costs that guarantee fewer SSN's will be built.
I have absolutely know idea how the USN intends to protect is major surface combatants against the submarine threat. Maybe Navy strategists think they can outsource the job to allies [fat chance] or, just maybe, they hope the problem will go away if it's ignored long enough. The problem is this kind of “kick the can down the road” reasoning gets people killed and ships sunk in a REAL war. Yeah, yeah, Obonzo says that global warming [climate change] is DoD’s and the Navy's biggest threat.
“Somehow, the French submarine must have been able to slip between the defensive sensor patchwork of patrol aircraft, helicopters, warships and submarines to line up a shot on the $13 billion monstrosity.”
The White Hutters will celebrate this because its not fair that we have Carriers and some others don’t.