Posted on 02/28/2015 5:42:59 AM PST by RoosterRedux
(For a change.)
Mr. niteowl77
.38 Special the officers carried in the Philippines just wasn’t up to the job.
Actually was the .38 Long Colt - an even baliisticly inferior
round
38 special was the “magnum” round of its day invented in 1909
The article makes some points against the 1911 (as do the related articles at the bottom of the main one).
Anyway, it is interesting that MARSOC has made the same decision Delta did some time back ...A move to allow operators to use Glocks. Delta, like MARSOC, has traditional used highly tuned 1911s until about a decade ago when Glocks started appearing in inventory (based on the various books written by recent Delta operators, such as Dalton Fury's Kill Bin Laden).
The Marine Corps does not use hollow point +P ammo. I use the 230 Grain FMJ the weapon is designed for. It never fails to feed.
Mine is out of the box stock, not modified in any way.
I know, huh.
The best improvement that is needed, is good bullets. I like Hornady’s new Critical Defense technology. Barrier penetration and hydraulic expansion. This FMJ problem is what needs to be addressed, not caliber.
Recently purchased CZ P-07 and P-09 models on advice of a competitive shooter. Seems a lot of people are choosing these models for their good trigger in both double action and single action modes, not to forget capacity of 16 and 19 rounds respectively. Although I love my Glock 19, I have never felt confident in carrying it with a bullet in the chamber. Stories of accidental discharges by Glock owners reinforce that lack of confidence. The P-07 and P-09 models have a double action first shot at about 8.5 pounds followed by single action at about 4 pounds. I feel more confident about avoiding accidental discharges with this pistol. So far I have no complaints about this gun although use is limited and time will tell if it lives up to my expectations.
So....what’s the matter with “the factory 4.5 trigger “?
It’s just not a 3.5 trigger.
A fine trigger for a factory pistol, but it’s not crisp enough once you learn the pistol.
Yes, the .45 is not the best round. It is difficult to shoot and takes practice. It is slow, but it is still faster than a bad guy. During my time in the Marine Corps, I saw a few people shot with the .45 and later the 9mil. There wasn’t a single .45 shooting where the victim wasn’t really messed up. Even the guy who was hit in the forearm was put down by the extreme wounding of that round (he probably lost that arm). I never saw the same with the 9 and there were often blood trails with the 9.
By the way, I had a 1st Sgt who was severely wounded in Viet Nam. After a couple of years in the hospital, he convalesced while running the pistol range at Lejuene for a few years where he fired daily. That man could take any pistol from the armory and after a round or two keyhole every subsequent shot. A box of 50 would result in a hole in the target you could slip your McDonald’s coffee cup through. One day we were at the rifle range and our CO bet him he could not put 3 of 5 rounds on the paper a the 200. He put 5 of 5 in the scoring rings. He also put 5 of 5 on the paper at 300. Sadly it was the only thing Top was really capable of and all it took was a little practice.
Good choices. I’ve been a CZ fan for a long time and own/owned a number of them, and pleased with each and every one. While I’m not big on polymer frames that’s just a matter of personal preference and I’d never begrudge somebody their choice of what worked best for them.
“It was developed specifically to kill muslims.
The .38 Special the officers carried in the Philippines just wasn’t up to the job.”
Them Moors was hopped-up on Red Bull!
The best loads currently are Federal's HST (amazing expansion ...up to .70 for 9mm, and it holds together very well even though it is not bonded), Federal's Tactical Bonded, Winchester's Ranger T (the most up to date evolution of the Black Talon), Winchester's Ranger Bonded (currently the FBI load, and what I use personally ...how I managed to get these in Kenya is another story ...), Speer Gold Dot (a lot of good OIS with the 124+P), and some all copper bullet by Barnes I cannot recall off head right now.
Anyway, the most important aspect is bullet placement. Even ball ammo will do the job if you do yours.
The service awarded a $22.5 million contract to Colt Defense LLC., for up to 10,000 Close Quarter Battle Pistols
$2,250 a gun! More evidence that we are being RAPED every day.
Largely ceremonial anyway. The entire thing is a waste.
38 special hit the markets in 1898 with black powder as the propellant. Within a year it was converted over to the newer smokeless powder.
I agree about the Critical Duty. I had just bought into the Critical Defense when the Duty came out and had to switch my guns to Duty as soon as it was available.
I agree that aim is most important, but insist that the best equipment is called for as well. Doing your part is a lot easier to say than to do once others are shooting back at you. Good commercial/police rounds are far superior to FMJ in causing a more severe wound and thus a higher potential to neutralize a threat.
I didn’t think the .38 Special ever used black powder. I know the Military Colt SAA was chambered in .38 Colt, a round not as powerful as the .38 Special.
I have a Springfield Armory 1911A1 Government Model. It has about the same number of rounds through it with the same reliability. It has never malfunctioned. I have always taken care of it and it is just nice and broken in.
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