Posted on 02/25/2015 12:04:07 PM PST by ckilmer
Until they realize that all that water vapor being released will indeed start a trend in global warming.
Time to sink a hydrogen well in my back yard...
Ten years from now we’ll have four sets of portable transport technology competing against each other for space in the world’s transport systems. Internal combustion gasoline. Internal combustion natural gas. Fuel Cell cars. Electric cars.
This will set off a fantastic world wide competition between the four transport technologies to reduce their costs to stay in the game.
Who will be the beneficiaries of this vast competition?
Guess.
Not to pick a winner, but Musk’s protests remind me of Edison’s against AC power. Let the market decide what’s best.
I really believe without the California and Northeast State Consortium requirements for ZEVs, none of these would be offered. And 2 dollar gas makes the economics even tougher.
Green Energy Automobile Ping!.......................
No thanks, I’ll stay with gas and continue to shop for the perfect Porsche Boxster GTS.
However, I believe that Toyota is the automaker that could pull this off.
Anything that takes us away from gasoline is excellent.
Great analogy.
[ Not to pick a winner, but Musk’s protests remind me of Edison’s against AC power. Let the market decide what’s best. ]
One of the things that annoys me about Musk is his Grubermint cronyist tendancies...
EVs don’t make their energy either, unless they are hybrids. Otherwise they have to take energy from the grid via inefficient transfer systems- hardly “clean burning” - and STORE it in batteries.
Spot on! Once we master fusion, we can cheaply disassociate water into hydrogen and oxygen use it over and over again with nothing lost, the ultimate in sustainable energy!
Its extremely affordable. $45,000 isn’t bad for a hydrogen fuel cell car.
And the 3 minutes recharge time is a plus.
300 mile range.
Looks like Mirai delivers the goods.
Until some smart guy takes the water exhaust and puts it in a collection container marked “survival water” so if you ever get stranded, you’ve got potable water in the car.
Musk has called hydrogen fuel cells "extremely silly" and "fool cells," with his main critique being that hydrogen is too difficult to produce, store and turn efficiently to fuel, diverting attention from even better sources of clean energy.I've seen a YouTube vid where Musk notes that hydrogen is a storage system, not a fuel per se, and making these same points about the inefficiency of electrolysis, storage, range, etc. If the Toyota people have a five minute recharge (hmm...), and the car doesn't cost north of $100K like Elon's battery-mobile, the greeniac zombies will be talking about how everyone should drive these new buggies. The fact is, just like electric vehicles, these will tax the already overburdened grid, and do so during peak use hours. However, as long as the lib zombies don't have to pay for the charging, they'll continue to use one or the other type of system.
Hyrdrogen is not a fuel. It is an energy-storage medium, since it requires much more energy to create it than it does to refine fossil fuels.
Wrong. The sun uses hydrogen as a fuel and converts it into helium through nuclear fusion.
How about all that extra water vapor being released into the freezing New England winter? Will that turn to ice on the roadway or does that get absorbed into the air?
No, it's foolhardy. As an investment in any time-frame short of 50 years, it's a guaranteed money-loser, if it weren't for government subsidy. It's more idiotic environmentalism.
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