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To: Jan_Sobieski
Illegal immigration has brought the diseases of the 3rd world right to our doorstep. American families concerned about the danger of vaccinations chose not to vaccinate long before the floodgates of the 3rd world were opened, and it is certain that they will continue.

Given that this outbreak started at Disneyland, the most likely index case was probably a foreign tourist who entered the country completely legally.

My question to people, are you so sure to put your family's health in the hands of a government committed to population control (where 1/60 children are autistic after vaccinations)?

Ah, the crazy conspiracy theories. So, 1 out of 60 kids are diagnosed with a genetic disease after they are vaccinated? Gee, what about all the kids who are diagnosed with other genetic diseases, like schizophrenia, diabetes, cystic fibrosis (the list goes on)--should we blame vaccines for those, too, since the diagnosis always occurs after vaccination?

The "doctor" that published the Lancet article on the supposed link between the MMR vaccine and autism has been discredited and lost his license to practice medicine. He had a conflict of interest big enough to stop a charging elephant--he had a financial interest in selling a different vaccine, a measles-only vaccine. Plus, he was in cahoots with a lawyer, and was trying to establish "proof" that MMR "causes" autism so that he could rake in the money by providing "scientific" testimony for the lawyer who wanted to file lawsuits on behalf of parents of autistic children.

Measles and the other vaccine-preventable diseases aren't just benign nuisances. They kill. They cause permanent brain damage. One in four of the affected patients in this outbreak has ended up in the hospital because of the measles. Measles is one of the most contagious diseases known. It is contagious before symptoms appear, and remains contagious for several days after the patient becomes symptomatic. Measles is airborne--you can catch it by entering a room hours after someone with measles has been there; you can catch it by walking past the open window of a room occupied by a measles patient. And if you are not vaccinated, you WILL catch measles if exposed.

I have utterly no sympathy for people who fall for anti-vaccine hooey. I have not seen that such people can be reasoned with, or that they exhibit any particular ability to understand scientific or mathematical concepts. I think that vaccine exemptions are way too easy to get. If a person wants to claim a religious exemption, they should have to produce a letter written on the letterhead of their recognized religious establishment, signed by their legally ordained bishop, priest, rabbi, imam, etc. And I don't mean ordained by some fly-by-night mail order place.

19 posted on 02/01/2015 6:33:41 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom
I have not seen that such people can be reasoned with, or that they exhibit any particular ability to understand scientific or mathematical concepts.

I expected such a response from the typical elitist government sponsored person of "higher learning". I too have have such credentials and I have found that it is an "exercise in futility" to even try discussing case after case of families who had perfectly healthy children until their 2 year vaccinations.

No one is trying to impede you from your faith in Government...so what is the problem?
29 posted on 02/01/2015 6:43:16 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: exDemMom

Scientists have been imprisoned for violating the “paradigm”. Eugenics is the prevailing paradigm. You haven’t been critical enough of your teachers.


41 posted on 02/01/2015 6:50:55 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: exDemMom

It’s always good to admit that you work for the government in this area. You definitely ave an agenda.


53 posted on 02/01/2015 6:59:24 PM PST by porter_knorr
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To: exDemMom
I have not seen that such people can be reasoned with, or that they exhibit any particular ability to understand scientific or mathematical concepts.

Agreed. Like global warming fanatics, they are true believers and as such are impermeable to rational discourse. Save your breath (or keystrokes) for those who can still process information.

64 posted on 02/01/2015 7:11:37 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: exDemMom

To be blunt - you are ill-informed. Congress granted immunity from lawsuit to vaccine companies and created a special vaccine court for a reason - there are negative and even lethal reactions to their products, but the Feds deemed the widespread benefits to outweigh the costs to individuals.

As an individual, however, you have the right to not let someone jab you with aborted fetal tissue, poisons, and questionably neutralized viruses. Especially if you have a family history of reactions. The genetic link is not to autism, it’s to the reaction to the contents of the vaccines, which is known but hushed up since testing folks for it might make them ask too many questions.

But if you believe the same folks who insist man-made climate change is real, so be it.


126 posted on 02/01/2015 8:34:52 PM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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