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50 die under secret 999 policy
The Telegraph ^ | 1/13/15 | Laura Donnelly

Posted on 01/29/2015 7:55:16 AM PST by originalbuckeye

More than 50 patients have died after an NHS trust introduced a secret policy to downgrade 999 calls and not to send ambulances to terminally ill patients. Managers at East of England ambulance trust were accused of “the most cruel form of rationing imaginable” after admitting that 8,000 patients had been affected by the changes. An internal NHS report discloses that 57 patients died after their calls were downgraded following a decision not to send ambulances to the terminally ill and to those who had given instructions not to resuscitate. It meant that, instead of receiving a response from paramedics in eight minutes, people reporting life-threatening illnesses were given a call back up to 20 minutes later, or had to wait up to an hour for an ambulance. The policy was in place for two months before staff raised concerns that patients suffering cardiac arrests were being left to die. The alarm was raised with senior managers last February and the policy was immediately suspended. However, details of the practice have only now emerged in an internal NHS document. It discloses that 21 types of call were downgraded. The ambulance trust said the changes were made by call centre managers without the approval of senior management, and were reversed when concerns were raised. In the Commons, Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary said the failings were evidence of a “staggering” crisis in ambulance services. “While focus has been on A&E it is becoming clear that the knock-on crisis in the ambulance service is more serious than people realised,” he told the Commons. “Evidence is emerging of services unilaterally abandoning national standards and putting patients at risk.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nhs; obamacarefuture; rationingcare; terminallyill
A innovative way to ration care. Watch for this to come to the country you love.
1 posted on 01/29/2015 7:55:16 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye

Borders on euthanasia.


2 posted on 01/29/2015 7:57:58 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: originalbuckeye; All

Obama 2009: “ If you like your health care, you can keep your health care”

“If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”

Obama 2015 “ If you like your death panel, you can keep your death panel “


3 posted on 01/29/2015 7:58:02 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Obamacarekill
4 posted on 01/29/2015 8:10:08 AM PST by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. ~W.E. Johns)
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To: Qiviut

Yeah..


5 posted on 01/29/2015 8:11:33 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: originalbuckeye

Sounds like murder. Waiting for the prosecutions, waiting, ...


6 posted on 01/29/2015 8:38:08 AM PST by Truth29
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To: originalbuckeye

You’ll go to jail if you try to form a health care system outside of the government’s though.


7 posted on 01/29/2015 8:41:19 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the fascists.)
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To: originalbuckeye

This is deliberate and intentional. Done with full knowledge and awareness. They won’t say out loud that they are eliminating the old White people, but that’s what they are doing.


8 posted on 01/29/2015 8:54:14 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Private healthcare isn’t illegal in Britain. Frankly, whilst the NHS has its fault, it does at lest give ordinary people on low incomes access to healthcare without going bankrupt or having an insurance company that refuses to pay for lifesaving treatment. One of the most disgusting things I ever witnessed when I lived in the US was a husband and father neighbour who had a heart attack whose insurer refused to insure him for two years afterwards, meaning that if he had another heart attack, his family would have had to sell their house and they would not have been able to access non emergency treatment. Our family got great treatment because my Dad had a good job and top level insurance, but regular American joes where stuffed if they ever got seriously ill. There’s a lot I admire about America that you do better than US, but healthcare provision ain’t one of them, unless you are rich, in which case you are alright Jack...


9 posted on 01/29/2015 9:20:26 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
I notice you failed to mention all the people who get surgeries and treatments postponed over and over.

A woman who ran the NHS for many years died waiting for a follow-up surgery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371861NHS-director-dies-operation-cancelled-times-hospital.html

Government is the greediest, most corrupt and murderous force on Earth. Anything government touches becomes astronomically expensive.

Glad to see you putting your faith in something that won't let you down.

10 posted on 01/29/2015 9:32:34 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the fascists.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Unlike you, I actually have experience of the NHS, and for the most part, they provide a decent service. I suffer from epilepsy, and thanks to the NHS I am entitled to free prescriptions to treat this chronic condition, even when I was unemployed and looking for work. If I couldn’t afford the drugs, I couldn’t even have been able to work, so Id have been on the scrapheap and living in chronic poverty. They could do better, but for people who can’t afford private healthcare, being on a waiting list is better than being refused treatment at all because your insurance company refuses to pay for it or you don’t have insurance because you lost your job or you developed an expensive health problem and the insurance company deems you no longer profitable to insure. Private healthcare in the US is amazing, but for those who aren’t rich or well insured, you aren’t going to enjoy anything like that level of service.


11 posted on 01/29/2015 9:51:06 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
If the socialist government hadn't taken it over, it would be a lot cheaper.

But it sounds like you enjoy being a ward of the state, so it's all good.

12 posted on 01/29/2015 9:53:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the fascists.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I work and pay taxes, thanks to the NHS paying for otherwise unaffordable medication that allows me to work. Otherwise I probably would be a ward of the state or on the streets because I’d be unemployable. Life’s grand when you’re rich and healthy though eh?


13 posted on 01/29/2015 10:08:35 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

You have a religious faith in government. Good for you.


14 posted on 01/29/2015 10:09:52 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the fascists.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

II worked in the NHS in Britain a few decades ago. Please don’t pretend that those on the dole get the same level of health care as those who have money. We HAD the best health care system on the planet. That has fallen by the wayside as doctors have so much more paperwork to do for the Government now, they cannot see as many patients. Obamacare was implemented to give INSURANCE to those who didn’t have it. But those who didn’t have insurance had Medicaid. They had HEALTH CARE, just not insurance. I watched my British father-in-law deteriorate at home with a health aide visiting once a week to change his dressings. He needed to be in the hospital, but the NHS didn’t want that expense, did they? And when the family could no longer give him the care he needed at home, he had to go into a care home,which of course was not covered by the NHS. I watched as people died with disease that had been diagnosed by tests, but no one told them the result, so they didn’t return for care. Please, we HAD the best medicine in the USA. Sadly, that will no longer be the case when Obamacare has had the time to completely destroy it.


15 posted on 01/29/2015 10:11:21 AM PST by originalbuckeye (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principle is always a vice. Paine)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
One of the most disgusting things I ever witnessed when I lived in the US was a husband and father neighbour who had a heart attack whose insurer refused to insure him for two years afterwards, meaning that if he had another heart attack, his family would have had to sell their house and they would not have been able to access non emergency treatment.

I understand your point. Those of us who have lived stateside for more than 40 years remember when the insurance company problems were miniscule by comparison. My dad was a parochial school music teacher when he was diagnosed with lung cancer in the 70s. That was a low paying job, but he got exceptional treatment, and wasn't kicked off of anything.

The problems increased as more (non health related) things were mandated for coverage (E.G. $20,000 per throw for in vitro fertilization in many states). Also, malpractice suits got completely out of control.

To be sure, since that era, some great but expensive technology has come along, and some great but expensive pharmaceuticals. It also doesn't help that we are getting older as a nation. Nonetheless, most of us here believe that the bulk of the problem of expense is coming from an unholy alliance from the established phamaceuticals/hospitals/government/lawyers who want to protect what they have, with government subsidizization of medical costs turning the whole system into a fun house of crazy mirrors, distorting eveything in its path.

At least you have a little outside pressure in England from the private providers. That is better than what Canada has, where a doctor accepting fee for service is illegal. This gives the patient very little leverage with the doctors.
16 posted on 01/29/2015 10:56:21 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: originalbuckeye

Guess they weren’t informed of the change of the telephone number

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8GtuPdrUQ


17 posted on 01/29/2015 11:00:48 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
There’s a lot I admire about America that you do better than US, but healthcare provision ain’t one of them, unless you are rich...

Well since Democrat limitation of health insurance from crossing state lines, and Obamacare, are the only things that make that true - but you mention neither - you're just another Democrat operative holding up the NIH as a positive example to spin yet another story of NIH murder.

Crawl back to DU, worm.

18 posted on 01/29/2015 11:17:35 AM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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