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To: Theoria

Another attack on private property


2 posted on 01/20/2015 9:00:54 PM PST by GeronL
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To: GeronL

My Pennsylvania deed for land which includes a barely navigable stream conveys an easement for use of that stream.

If someone is in the water they ain’t trespassin’.


4 posted on 01/20/2015 9:07:47 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: GeronL

Here in Florida, there was quite a court case over waterborne access. Florida law allows “navigable waters” to be used by all. The Fisheating Creek case was an illustration of how that law works.

If a body of water was used for commercial/public access by boat it is open to all. Lykes is the 2nd largest land holding family in Florida, and, IIRC, is controlled by Chester Ferguson, probably now by his daugher, Stella Ferguson Lykes. Stella Lykes family owned Lykes Steamship line, Lykes Pasco Packing, ranches, groves, forests, etc. Chester married Stella, Ya see - and the rest ‘jest happened natcherly’.

So, they decided to close off Fish Eating Creek where it entered their land. However, there was the small problem of an old sunken steamboat on the bottom of said Creek, mute testimony to commercial/public use.

The Lykes family used every legal option available (’member the “Golden Rule”?) Having lots of lawyers on staff, and sufficient gold to field a legal circus worthy of Ringling, Barnum, & Bailey, the case kept enviro-whackos and presstitutes drooling for a long time.

In the end, the sunken boat sank the Lykes.

In Neu Yuk Stadt, the waterways have a transportation history going back to the days of the Indians.

The Property Rights issue, at least in Florida, is solved by users of a waterway across private land Not being allowed to get out of the boat onto the private lands surrounding the waterway. Waters are communal property, and are open to all. Private lands are only open by agreement of the land owner.

It works well here in Florida.

Whether anything can work in Neu Yuk remains to be seen.


11 posted on 01/20/2015 9:28:58 PM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: GeronL
Another attack? You bettcha!

APA has been chipping away at private property owners in the Adirondacks since its inception! I am from one of those extended families, and watched as land was seized illegally by the state to extend this "Forever Wild" Bullsh!t so some Bronx Indian could drive through the mountains and Oh! and Ah! at the "unspoiled beauty".

I cry for the area of my birth, and need to go vomit that the rape of government on property owners in the mountains continues!

23 posted on 01/21/2015 2:43:27 AM PST by Dubh_Ghlase
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To: GeronL

Nah, natural beaches and navigable waterways should always be accessible to the public.

Then if your rich enough, you can always bribe the state official who determines if its a natural beach or navigable waterway.


28 posted on 01/21/2015 5:13:15 AM PST by Usagi_yo (It's not possible to give success. Only opportunity. Success is earned on it's own right.)
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To: GeronL

Sorry, but you cannot deny the use of navigable waterways... at least not in PA. You can own the land around it, but if the waterway is navigable anyone may use it, you cannot prevent someone from utilizing a navigable waterway in PA just because you own the land adjacent to it.

I suspect the law is the same in most other states.


43 posted on 01/21/2015 2:05:28 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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