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Caterpillar is latest victim of sliding oil price
Market Watch ^ | Jan 5, 2015 | Ciara Linnane

Posted on 01/17/2015 7:05:54 AM PST by thackney

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To: thackney

It had nothing to do with the higher US Dollar vs. the Euro and JPY?


41 posted on 01/17/2015 8:06:50 AM PST by oblomov
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To: napscoordinator

They will be slow to drop because both trucking companies and airlines hedge their exposure to fuel prices. Oil/gas will need to remain low for 8-12 months for the lower price to be passed on to the consumer. And even then, retail price reductions will be gradual.


42 posted on 01/17/2015 8:09:42 AM PST by oblomov
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To: thackney

I’m of the opinion the oil and gas industry is the only thing that has kept the economy from a complete collapse.

People don’t have the slightest clue how much royalty oil companies pay to the mineral owners.

When royalty is cut in half, or completely stopped in some cases, a lot of people are going to be in trouble because they depend on that money to pay for big ticket items like houses and cars they couldn’t afford otherwise.


43 posted on 01/17/2015 8:09:53 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: oblomov
Oil and others have dropped in dollar price due to high dollar value, but the movement has been greater than that. The dollar has not doubled in value while oil is less than half.


44 posted on 01/17/2015 8:10:20 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Yes, but I would think that CAT’s exposure to the USD exchange rate is significantly greater than their exposure to the oil price.


45 posted on 01/17/2015 8:13:17 AM PST by oblomov
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To: discostu
Hmm. I can feel bad for major, Muslim countries getting 50% less income from everyone in the world and feel bad about the value of CAT stock going down by 20%, or I can insist the world pay 100% more to those countries and get CAT stock back up by almost 30%.

I think I'm fine with the world cutting all oil revenues by half.

46 posted on 01/17/2015 8:13:21 AM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: thackney

And that will allow other uses for those materials that had otherwise become economically unviable.


47 posted on 01/17/2015 8:14:29 AM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: thackney
I keep hearing people outside of the energy sector cheering the low price of gas as a windfall to the economy. I have a few observations I'd like your take on when convenient;

When those great paying jobs (75k or better is not uncommon in this industry) go away, so does the money derived from mostly non-government sources. This leads to an absence of private money being replaced with tax/public money for things like unemployment benefits and entitlement programs many of the former employees will move to. As a result, the cheap gas prices may leave more money in some people's pockets but that will be short lived as they see a general slow down in the economy.

The people on subsidized living will benefit the most as they see a cut in expenditures for every day living cost but the private sector will suffer more as the many tens of thousand of jobs related to energy are no longer there to buy homes, cars, electronics and so on. That will have a ripple effect on other private businesses.

In other words, I see a lot of our economy driven by the private sector moving to more government driven sector. I'm writing this on my phone so it's probably not as well said as I'd like.

48 posted on 01/17/2015 8:14:40 AM PST by optiguy (If government is the answer, it was a stupid question.)
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To: spokeshave
True . However, loads are a function of other sectors as well. I admit our overall economy is doing poorly so truckers may have few options. Once again if our entire economy was booming, with all sectors going full bore then one sectors problems would be attenuated.
49 posted on 01/17/2015 8:14:56 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: oblomov

The maker of diggers and dozers’ direct exposure to the sector is equal to about $6.5 billion, or 12% of revenue, while its indirect exposure may be as much as 15% of revenues, analysts wrote in a note. That means almost 30% of its total revenue is facing pressure in 2015 and 2016.

Has the dollar risen that much?

https://www.google.com/finance?q=eurusd&ei=4Yq6VOHUA4q_8waPjYDYCg

https://www.google.com/finance?q=jpyusd&ei=RYu6VIiFNYfj8wahi4CgAQ


50 posted on 01/17/2015 8:18:08 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Thousands of truckers will no longer have a job also.


51 posted on 01/17/2015 8:19:25 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Fightin Whitey

The key being if other sectors of the economy are doing well then truckers will have alternative sources for hauling revenue. I admit I don’t know about other sectors booming. As an aside I’m out three days a week at 3:00 AM and the amount of trucks has increased. On last Friday the freeway was almost wall to wall in “Big Rigs.” Any posters out there who are truckers?


52 posted on 01/17/2015 8:19:33 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: thackney

Thanks for the article. It seems to support my position that truckers will seek alternative markets for their services. The issue being ARE THERE OTHER MARKETS AVAILABLE?


53 posted on 01/17/2015 8:23:13 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: thackney; Tupelo
Whoa! According to that chart you provided, it shows that CAT stock was at 78.00 in Jan. 2008 and by Jan. 2009 it had dropped to 25.00!

But then look what happens. It goes back up. Right now, even at 86.00 it's higher than it was in Jan. 2009.

CAT Interactive Stock Chart

54 posted on 01/17/2015 8:35:27 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: thackney

The company said that “30% of its revenue is facing pressure”

That does not mean that all 30% of the revenue is at risk.

The 25% rise in the USD is a reduction of the ex-US topline (unless they hedge their exposure, which they probably do not).


55 posted on 01/17/2015 8:37:42 AM PST by oblomov
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To: thackney
And if my IRA or 401K was 100% invested in “Big Oil,” the value of the current loss could approach 50%.

Thankfully, retirement portfolios are not made of single-sector stocks.

56 posted on 01/17/2015 8:41:24 AM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: thackney

This stock, sporting a 3% plus dividend, is a buy. I’m probably buying a couple hundred shares next week.


57 posted on 01/17/2015 8:44:58 AM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: optiguy

” that will be short lived as they see a general slow down in the economy”
Yes the slowdown in the economy that caused the price drop in oil is the problem and will be exacerbated by the transfer of oil capital into consumer spending (because of the lower fuel price). The government redistribution of wealth to consumer spending is now aggravated by a capitalist redistribution of wealth into consumer spending. Which will cause less investment and thus more government support of consumer spending.
(Not stated anywhere near as well as i’d like!)

Of course if the government would reduce it’s redistribution then the price drop could be beneficial.
But that won’t happen.


58 posted on 01/17/2015 8:59:37 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: thackney

Buy on the dip!!


59 posted on 01/17/2015 9:15:03 AM PST by kenmcg
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To: Nervous Tick

The last time CAT cut their dividend was in 1991, after losses (don’t know for how many years) and a strike.

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/12/business/company-news-dividend-cut-in-half-by-caterpillar-board.html


60 posted on 01/17/2015 9:26:15 AM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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