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Are Christians Commanded to (Always) Vote? [And should you care if you're not religious?]
Fairfax Free Citizen ^ | January 10, 2015 | Jonathon Moseley

Posted on 01/11/2015 7:14:22 AM PST by Moseley

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To: Moseley
I am starting to believe that nothing else can save the Republic.

You say Republic yet...Jeb Bush urges ‘respect’ for gay ‘marriage’
Earlier this week, the probable Republican presidential candidate told The New York Times, "We live in a democracy, and regardless of our disagreements, we have to respect the rule of law.”

Does that man deserve my vote if he is nominated when he doesn't even recognize our form of government and advocates something I find to be, IMO, against Biblical teachings?

21 posted on 01/11/2015 8:28:06 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Show up ... cast your ballot ... leave blank those parts of the ballot which lack a morally acceptable choice.

There’s almost always a tax or bond issue to oppose ...


22 posted on 01/11/2015 8:32:50 AM PST by NorthMountain (No longer TEA Party ... I'm the TAF Party)
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To: NorthMountain
There’s almost always a tax or bond issue to oppose ...

My one vote on such issues would be pointless where I live.
Acts of futility aren't in my DNA.

23 posted on 01/11/2015 8:45:26 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Moseley

The Bible says nothing about voting because kings ruled the people....a way of governing that Obama is reintroducing to the USA.


24 posted on 01/11/2015 8:51:10 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Moseley
I was preaching in Tennessee when clinton/gore were elected. Some of my colleagues and I strongly denounced the democrat platforms of homosexual and abortion rights. I was stunned at the number of otherwise dedicated Christians responding with the phrase, "separation of church and state."

They had absolutely no idea where the phrase came from or what it meant.

Should Christians vote? It really doesn't matter, because if they want to vote RAT, they will.

25 posted on 01/11/2015 9:46:21 AM PST by LouAvul (If government is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.)
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To: philman_36
Does that man deserve my vote

No. But if people don't start voting in primaries, George Bush will be the next Republican to politely lose the Presidential campaign, and Hillary Clinton will be President.

There are campaigns called primaries where people can vote and help determine WHO the nominee will be.


26 posted on 01/11/2015 10:07:07 AM PST by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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To: babygene
If both parties are crap, why would a Christan vote for either of them?

Why don't you try voting only in the Republican primary? If you don't like the eventual nominee, stay home in the general election. But determine to always vote in the primary.


27 posted on 01/11/2015 10:08:21 AM PST by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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To: Moseley

I mean Jeb Bush. Freudian slip.


28 posted on 01/11/2015 10:09:03 AM PST by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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To: philman_36
If the only option is to vote for evil should Christians still vote?

Why do you even ask this question? The fact that you can even imagine such a scenario raises a lot of questions about the assumptions you are making.

For one thing, voting is expressing a choice for whom you want to vote, based on being informed and applying one's principles.

So how could one be forced to vote for anyone? Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
29 posted on 01/11/2015 10:12:23 AM PST by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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To: Moseley
Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America

Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America

Oath

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Note: In certain circumstances there can be a modification or waiver of the Oath of Allegiance. Read Chapter 5 of A Guide to Naturalization for more information.

The principles embodied in the Oath are codified in Section 337(a) in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), which provides that all applicants shall take an oath that incorporates the substance of the following:

1.    Support the Constitution;

2.    Renounce and abjure absolutely and entirely all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which the applicant was before a subject or citizen;

3.    Support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;

4.    Bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and

5.    A. Bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; or
B. Perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; or
C. Perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law.

The language of the current Oath is found in the Code of Federal Regulations Section 337.1 and is closely based upon the statutory elements in Section 337(a) of the INA.

 


History

Throughout our nation's history, foreign-born men and women have come to the United States, taken the Oath of Allegiance to become naturalized citizens, and contributed greatly to their new communities and country. The Oath of Allegiance has led to American citizenship for more than 220 years.

Since the first naturalization law in 1790, applicants for naturalization have taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States. Five years later the Naturalization Act of 1795 required an applicant to declare an intention (commitment) to become a U.S. citizen before filing a Petition for Naturalization. In the declaration of intention the applicant would indicate his understanding that upon naturalization he would take an oath of allegiance to the United States and renounce (give up) any allegiance to a foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty. Applicants born with a hereditary title also had to renounce their title or order of nobility.

Prior to 1906, naturalization courts had little or no guidance on how to apply or administer the law. The law did not include an exact text for the oath. It stated only that an applicant:

"...shall...declare, on oath...that he will support the Constitution of the United States, and that he absolutely and entirely renounces and abjures all allegiance and fidelity to every foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty; and, particularly, by name, to the prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of which he was before a citizen or subject; which proceedings shall be recorded by the clerk of the court."

Before 1906, there were as many as 5,000 courts with naturalization jurisdiction. Each court could develop its own procedures for administering the oath. Some courts simply documented that applicants swore an oath. Other courts chose to write and print their own text for the oath, which the applicant would read at the final hearing.

In 1905 a Presidential Commission on Naturalization studied naturalization in the United States. They found that U.S. naturalization courts lacked uniformity. They recommended classifying and summarizing naturalization laws into a code (re-codification), the creation of a federal agency to oversee naturalization procedures, and standard forms for all U.S. naturalizations, including a form for the oath of allegiance.

The Basic Naturalization Act of 1906 implemented many of the Commission's recommendations, but did not mandate a separate form for the oath of allegiance. Instead, the new Declaration of Intention form and Petition for Naturalization form included some of the substance of the oath. At the final hearing the applicant still recited a spoken oath adapted from the law. In 1906 the Basic Naturalization Act also added the section of the oath requiring new citizens to defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; and bear true faith and allegiance to the same.

An official standard text for the oath of allegiance did not appear in the regulations until 1929. The regulation said that before a naturalization certificate could be issued, the applicant should take the following oath in court:

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, State, or sovereignty, and particularly to __________ of who (which) I have heretofore been a subject (or citizen); that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion: So help me God. In acknowledgment whereof I have hereunto affixed my signature.

This regulation introduced a signed oath with standardized language. There was still no separate, federal form for the oath. It was most likely printed on the back of the application form.

The Immigration Act of September 23, 1950, added text to the oath of allegiance about bearing arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; and performing noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law. Prior to 1946, the Supreme Court had ruled that the language in the oath about supporting and defending the Constitution and laws of the United States against all enemies implied a promise to bear arms. This was challenged in the court case of Girouard v. U.S. (328 U.S. 61). The Court ruled that the oath of allegiance did not imply a promise to bear arms. A refusal to bear arms was justified on the basis of religious training and beliefs. Under current law, an applicant opposed to bearing arms or performing noncombatant service because of his or her religious training and beliefs is exempt from taking the full oath of allegiance.

The section of the oath of allegiance about performing work of national importance under civilian direction was added by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 and is the last major addition to the oath of allegiance as it appears today.

 


30 posted on 01/11/2015 10:23:12 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Moseley
Why do you even ask this question?
Why not ask that question? Isn't it a viable one?

So how could one be forced to vote for anyone?
The implication is that voting is obligatory, no matter what, when it isn't.

Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
Since a "contradiction in terms" is where component words contradict one another I have no idea as to which particular words you're asking about.

31 posted on 01/11/2015 11:32:45 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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I am sorry, you are not expressing what you are thinking. It isn’t a viable question because I don’t understand what the question is.

To be forced to vote for evil doesn’t make any sense. To vote is to cast one’s choice.

How can you be forced to vote for someone other than whom you choose?

For a Christian, voting is obligatory, no matter what. But that is because one has the power to influence the result in a positive direction, not because one is forced to vote for anyone in particular.


32 posted on 01/11/2015 12:26:01 PM PST by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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A well known and well ignored trouble spot is not general elections but primaries.

Apathy in primaries makes it possible for Mitts and McCains to get served up on general ballots (and generally then to lose).


33 posted on 01/11/2015 12:30:27 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Moseley
For a Christian, voting is obligatory, no matter what.
Show me scripture from the Bible that proves your assertion.

How can you be forced to vote for someone other than whom you choose?

How intentionally obtuse you are.
When all choices in the vote are for evil people for whom do you vote?!
Will you vote for an evil person or just the lesser of two evils?

34 posted on 01/11/2015 5:09:24 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Show me scripture from the Bible that proves your assertion.

Already did. Read the article. Watch the video. Another instance of people reacting to the headline without reading the article.

When all choices in the vote are for evil people for whom do you vote?!

That never happens. There are things called PRIMARIES, when you can vote for the nominee. If people vote in the primary -- in very large numbers, if all Christians voted -- we would nominate good people. At the very least, the fear of those votes would affect the nominees.

However, the attitude you and others express is just an EXCUSE for LAZINESS. You are simply making up excuses to sit home and watch reruns and eat potato chips on the couch in your underwear.

Will you vote for an evil person or just the lesser of two evils?

As stated in the article, ALL elections are the lesser of two evils. Every human being is imperfect. So there is no such thing as a choice between a perfect candidate and an evil candidate. All elections are choosing the better candidate, even if only slightly better. Unless Jesus Christ is on the ballot, you will be voting for an evil person.

Romans 3 says that all people are evil. So are you just not going to vote?
35 posted on 01/12/2015 7:18:25 AM PST by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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To: philman_36

Tell you what... No one has any excuse not to vote in the general election if they did not vote in the primary.


36 posted on 01/12/2015 7:25:56 AM PST by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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Romans 3 says that all people are evil.
Wrong!
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Being sinful isn't the quite the same thing as being evil.

...we would nominate good people.
Again, good people first have to be on the ballot.

As stated in the article, ALL elections are the lesser of two evils.
But...but...you said we could nominate good people. /sarcasm

However, the attitude you and others express is just an EXCUSE for LAZINESS.
What a shame, you see laziness instead of standing by one's principles.

37 posted on 01/12/2015 7:38:15 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Moseley
So are you just not going to vote?

Not for anybody who has ventured forth to date.
As illustrated earlier, they don't even know our form of government.

38 posted on 01/12/2015 7:40:06 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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