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Report: littoral combat ship not 'significantly more survivable' after proposed military upgrades
AL.com ^ | January 08, 2015 | Michael Finch II

Posted on 01/09/2015 7:58:58 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

The plans to upgrade the U.S. Navy's littoral combat ship will not improve the vessel's capability to sustain an attack, according to a Bloomberg News report. Last month, U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel announced a plan to upgrade both versions of the ships built by Austal USA and Lockheed Martin.

The report cites comments from Michael Gilmore, the military's director of operational, test and evaluation, saying "the minor modifications to the LCS will not yield a ship that is significantly more survivable."

The Navy's proposal to buy another 20 ships with the upgrades to the ship's surface warfare and anti-submarine warfare capabilities was approved by Hagel last month.

Nearly a year ago, he directed a small surface combatant task force to chart a new course for the vessel that has been criticized on Capitol Hill.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: frigate; lcs; ssc; usn

1 posted on 01/09/2015 7:58:58 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

This one for the ladies?


2 posted on 01/09/2015 8:14:29 PM PST by bicyclerepair (Ft. Lauderdale FL (zombie land). TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Not surprising. This class is a pig that has no business existing, IMO. It has only one supposedly “useful” attribute that has no realistic advantage in any future combat situation, IMO.

It may be able to deflect radar at a distance, with dubious results versus the previous generation of destroyers, but at what cost? Would the previous generation be able to survive combat without such marginal improvements in “stealthiness” versus what we are now proposing to field at such a significant increase in appropriation?

I am all for upgrading our equipment when it makes good sense, but this “advancement” in technology seems to me to be marginal and waste of significant resources.

3 posted on 01/09/2015 8:58:15 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The damned things are aluminum above the waterline! I toured one at it's commissioning! I wouldn't be caught dead on one!!!

Well, wait...

4 posted on 01/09/2015 8:58:22 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: Pox

Modern day PT Boat?


5 posted on 01/09/2015 9:01:02 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Little Crappy Ships (LCS).


6 posted on 01/09/2015 9:01:08 PM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: wjcsux

Oh! But it does have bullet proof glass!


7 posted on 01/09/2015 9:09:15 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Give ‘em to the Coast Guard, as that’s basically what they are: Cutters.

Start buying real frigates for the Navy again.


8 posted on 01/09/2015 9:33:50 PM PST by DesScorp
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Give ‘em to the Coast Guard

That's actually not a bad idea!! Rather expensive but good at intercepting drug smugglers with the ability of just blowing them out of the water!

9 posted on 01/09/2015 9:39:06 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: Antoninus II

No, a PT literally had FAR more firepower.


10 posted on 01/09/2015 9:42:26 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They really want to buy a lot of these sitting ducks?


11 posted on 01/09/2015 9:44:35 PM PST by GeronL
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To: DesScorp

exactly what they are good for, coastal defense


12 posted on 01/09/2015 9:45:57 PM PST by GeronL
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To: DesertRhino

Have you been on one? I was on one of the more conventional Freedom Class with steel hull. Badass gun up front. But again. NO armor to speak of. Relying on speed is like flying a Zero.


13 posted on 01/09/2015 9:49:44 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: Pox; Antoninus II; DesScorp; DesertRhino
This is a very frustrating article to read. Without the benefits of having read your comments, I was left confused as to whether the system is working or the system is failing. Is the system working because we have open criticism of a ship design which means that the architects and the strategists are finding that their feet are kept to the fire or is the system failing because we have another hopeless boondoggle of runaway and top-heavy weapons systems designed not to make war but to make profits and jobs in countless congressional districts?

What is the mission that we are spending tens of billions of dollars to perform? What is the timeline, how long will we be confronted with this mission and how long will these ships expected to perform before obsolescence? Obviously, coastal defense is not the mission for the ships, it seems they that it must be something akin to the Royal Navy's gunboat missions of the 19th century. Antisubmarine warfare by stealth vessels hardly seems an economical way to approach that task.

It seems to me that very expensive weapons systems produced by an economy that's running an $18 trillion debt means that future wars will be fought by a bankrupt economy unable to field first rate weapons and therefore obliged to trade the blood of its sons for weapons superiority. If we are in fact mindlessly building expensive systems not for defense but as pork, we are to a moral certainty condemning many American soldiers and sailors to die. Likewise and even to a greater degree, if we do not control domestic spending, especially entitlements, we are certainly condemning ourselves to choosing between losing wars or sacrificing our youth.


14 posted on 01/10/2015 1:29:28 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: DesScorp

I have wondered if it might be time to go with a more muscular platform. The Des Moines cruisers were about 18,000 tons if I remember and had automatic 8 inch guns and a consistent 30 knot speed

If one started there and adjusted the power plant and the weaponry to today’s requirements and never mind the “stealth” could we wind up with a true “cruiser” in the traditional sense able to operate independently or in concert world wide?
Somebody help me out here


15 posted on 01/10/2015 2:13:08 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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