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What Is It About ‘Progressives’ and Guns?
pjmedia.com ^ | 1/3/2014 | Michael Walsh

Posted on 01/03/2015 5:35:42 AM PST by rktman

Besides sheer ignorance, that is. John Hinderaker at Power Line does a number on Adam Gopnik’s latest anti-gun musings in The New Yorker:

No one expects sensible commentary on firearms from the New Yorker, but this gun control rant is worth noting because it is so typical of modern liberalism. Facts? Who needs facts? Bullying is all that the left aspires to.

(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; guncontrol
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Moron adam gopnik's new yorker article spewing misdirections and outright falsehoods about firearms.
1 posted on 01/03/2015 5:35:42 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

Progressives want to eliminate guns because they are afraid of them in the hands of those they wish to dominate.

IMHO


2 posted on 01/03/2015 5:44:04 AM PST by ripley
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3 posted on 01/03/2015 5:49:58 AM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: rktman

Screw the “manufacturer” idea—though they would like to, I’m sure.

They want YOUR guns.
They have plans.
They want YOU to do things you don’t WANT to do—and will try to use force to make you do them.

That’s hard, when you’re the one backed up with a .45, or 9mm, or .38, or even a .22.


4 posted on 01/03/2015 5:50:01 AM PST by Flintlock (Soapbox didn't work; ballot box neither--we're left with the BULLET BOX.)
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To: rktman

“Gun horror is not a productive emotion, but learned helplessness disguised as moral superiority.” Daniel Greenfield

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/03/shadow-of-gun.html


5 posted on 01/03/2015 6:03:04 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: ripley

> Progressives want to eliminate guns because they are afraid of them in the hands of those they wish to dominate.

IMHO

This and the fact that they want their “big brother” to snatch them out of your hands because he told them that’s what he wanted. They go long with him because they think they he loves them and will always protect them. Never once do they consider that he might turn on and beat the crap out of them too. They’re not only naieve; they’re incredibly stupid. Critical thinking skills? Who needs ‘em? Big brother does it for them...


6 posted on 01/03/2015 6:05:03 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: rktman
Ban it! Outlaw it! Forbid it! That is the fascist Left’s solution to everything it doesn’t like.

The Shorten-Fagaly approach to jurisprudence.

7 posted on 01/03/2015 6:08:38 AM PST by arthurus
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To: rktman

Liberal hatred of weapons comes from two distinct sources:

1. It is a symptom of the infantile mental illness that fears responsibility, which is a core reason for liberals desire to be controlled. Frued wrote about this extensively.

2. The cynical leaders know unarmed people are easier to control. All laws are ultimately enforced at the point of a gun.


8 posted on 01/03/2015 6:17:34 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: Flintlock

Go & read Amitai Etzioni, the author of “communitarianism”, a friendly local neighborhood form of fascism, where residents are organized to isolate & harass those who do not conform to “communitarian” standards. He thinks it would work well on recalcitrant gun owners.

Another champion of ostracizing gun rights supporters is Josh Sugarmann. Forget doctors who question you about your guns, ol’ Josh will send the neighborhood kids’ parents over to interrogate you about guns in your house & then condemn you to pariahdom if you do.

Two Orwellian approaches to gun control that require no legislation, just changing the culture a la Janet Reno & Diane Feinstein.

“Gun owners simply are not our kind of people.”


9 posted on 01/03/2015 6:25:33 AM PST by elcid1970 ("I am a radicalized infidel.")
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Well said! Everyone should print your post on a card and use it for arguments with anti-gun liberals. It really does come down to one of those two things for every single anti-gun person.


10 posted on 01/03/2015 6:28:40 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

“We Kinda Agree With Mao That Political Power Comes Largely From The Barrel Of A Gun” UPDATE: With A Bit Of Context

Meet Ron Bloom, Obama’s Manufacturing Czar, seems he’s also a fan of Lee Atwater or something.

http://minx.cc:1080/?post=293825


11 posted on 01/03/2015 6:36:30 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: rktman
Note item 4. How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky: There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important. 1) Healthcare� Control healthcare and you control the people 2) Poverty � Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live. 3) Debt � Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty. 4) Gun Control� Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state. 5) Welfare � Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income) 6) Education � Take control of what people read and listen to � Take control of what children learn in school. 7) Religion� Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools 8) Class Warfare � Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
12 posted on 01/03/2015 6:48:38 AM PST by JayAr36 (Old enough to remember when this was a free country.)
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To: JayAr36

I see lots of check marks there.


13 posted on 01/03/2015 6:50:02 AM PST by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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To: rktman

More than guns, they hate gun owners, as they hate everyone who disagrees with them.


14 posted on 01/03/2015 6:57:57 AM PST by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: Spok

LOL! They don’t disagree with us. They just know that we are WRONG. No disagreement there.


15 posted on 01/03/2015 7:03:43 AM PST by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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To: ripley

First off, they’re not progressives. They are regressives. Want us all to go backward in time and live like animals. That is the regressive goal. Of course, they think they will be the top dogs.


16 posted on 01/03/2015 7:03:52 AM PST by abclily
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To: Flintlock

Exactly! Their problem with guns is that you can have them. Liberals love guns and have no problem using them as a means to their goals.


17 posted on 01/03/2015 7:07:52 AM PST by 556x45
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To: rktman
It is a good read, the author takes apart the article in the New Yorker. One think in the New Yorker drivel stood out for me:

If a carmaker made a car that was known to be wildly unsafe, and then advertised it as unsafe, liabilities would result.

Faulty, very faulty logic. Every single car/truck/motorcycle made and/or sold in the US is, in fact, "wildly unsafe." That is, wildly unsafe if mis-used. Just look at the deaths per year due to car accidents - it is roughly twice as many as firearms.

To make their vehicles safer manufacturers install airbags, ABS, bumpers, side-impact beams, energy absorbing crumple zones, seat belts, etc. Guess what, firearms have been made safer through additions of such features as safeties, firing mechanisms that are drop-safe, loaded chamber indicators, etc.

The fundamental fault in the author's "logic" {snort} is the notion that product producers should be held liable for any and every way their customers can/do mis-use their products. The idea is absurd, and would immediately put every single business out of business.

If I climb a ladder, then reach way out to the side and fall off...can I sue the ladder manufacturer for my own stupidity and misuse of the ladder? If I get drunk and drive my car into a crowd of people, can they sue the car maker? The tire maker? The gas station that sold me the gas? Nike for providing the shoes that enabled me to drive? My high school for teaching me driver's ed?

What this liberal (and basically all liberals today) misses is the point that people have to take responsibility for their actions. It isn't the fault of the product manufacturer when some fool or misguided/maladjusted individual does something dumb/dangerous/different with their product.

While that is a common problem with modern liberals - the lack of appreciation of personal responsibility - I don't think that is the primary driver here. That is just a convenient and familiar meme for them. The real objective is to put firearms manufacturers out of business, or at the very least increase their cost of doing business (and thus their product costs) to the point no-one, or very few people, could afford to own one. That's the real objective - disarming private citizens. (I'll let you speculate as to why this continues to be so important to these fascist types) What is again so common with modern liberals is the unintended consequences. By attempting to set this precedent they don't see or don't care what the impact would be on the entire business community. Or maybe that's just a happy accident and they want to end private enterprise too.

18 posted on 01/03/2015 7:49:12 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: jsanders2001
They’re not only naieve; they’re incredibly stupid.

That's a pretty good one-line summation of modern liberals! ;-)

19 posted on 01/03/2015 7:50:34 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: ripley

“Progressives want to eliminate guns because they are afraid of them in the hands of those they wish to dominate.”

Yes, 100+ million people killed in the last century by regimes who first ordered firearms confiscation, criminals aren’t our biggest threat.


20 posted on 01/03/2015 7:54:16 AM PST by duffee (Dump the Chairman of the Mississippi Republican Party, joe nosef.)
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