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The reason oil could drop as low as $20 per barrel
Reuters ^ | December 19, 2014 | Anatole Kaletsky

Posted on 12/19/2014 12:11:58 PM PST by C19fan

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To: Monty22002

>>> The oil market is a huge racket, that’s why. It’s as far from a free market as possible.

Are you referring to government taxes or international cartels? Because, except for those things, gasoline is one of the lowest profit-margin items on the market (only food is lower). In all the times that oil companies have been investigated for price fixing, they have *never* been found guilty.


61 posted on 12/19/2014 5:54:36 PM PST by XEHRpa
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To: Redbob

http://pure-gas.org


62 posted on 12/19/2014 5:56:12 PM PST by bestintxas (Every time a RINO is defeated a Founding Father gets his wings.)
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To: vette6387

Depends on when the groceries run out, as they import most all their food.


63 posted on 12/19/2014 5:57:09 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: Ozark Tom

“Depends on when the groceries run out, as they import most all their food.”

True, but they pay for those groceries almost solely with money derived from the sale of oil. So when their income drops precipitously as it is currently doing, they go on a sand diet in short order. The only real hedge is whatever money they have in the bank, and their willingness to make further cuts in their oil’s unitary selling price to see if they can makeup their income shortfall on volume.


64 posted on 12/19/2014 6:05:45 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Red Badger
Red, back when I was an actual person working in the KSA, I was told by some people with very expensive cloth on their heads that the actual cost of production, not counting depreciation, and the other arcane allowances the awl bidness has invented, including insane greed, was about $0.50/bbl.

I was also told by responsible officials that at the time, they had a "Thousand years of reserves, even factoring in increased demand." That was the mid 90's. They were not counting new finds in the Empty Quarter that were since conservatively estimated to double known Saudi reserves.

I sometimes think the squalid truth of the matter is that without some sort of output constricting mechanism, the world would drown in cheap crude. Shortage? Reserves drying up? Could be from the same school of thought thast brought us Global Warming.

The biggest thing that actually is GW's fault? Not leaving behind an energy policy. After all, he was in the awl bidness hisself. For the next century and half at least, as much as the idiotic Greenies and Luddites will weep and knash their teeth, the world will run on hydrocarbons and nuclear power.

Sure, we'll switch to Hydrogen, fusion, solar, but that has to be a long-term coherent plan. Coal, Oil, Gas? They're cheap, abundant, and very clean when used with modern technology.

Can we not have some non-lawyer make that point while serving us in the government? One thing for sure about the awl bidness, somebody always lying. Maybe those Saudi officials were lying to me, but Muslims hardly ever lie when they've been drinking.

65 posted on 12/19/2014 7:13:31 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (The fate of the Republic rests in the hands of the '15 -16 Congress. God help us.)
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To: Red Badger
Won’t that tend to anger other OPEC members?

Of course, but they really don't work together as well as they should. You know the other countries don't cut output when SA wants them too.

Every good Muslim knows their brand of Islam is the only true one. Screw the rest.
66 posted on 12/20/2014 12:42:14 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: bestintxas

But buying reserves takes funds, same as drilling. That doesn’t change the point that cheap previous purchases or exploration are already past expenses. To stay in the business, you have to replace reserves and production declines eventually.


67 posted on 12/20/2014 7:02:01 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: C19fan

Too many places are crying poverty at the current prices. Even if most of them are lying some of them are telling the truth. If prices continue to drop they’ll go bankrupt, which will cause supplies to drop, which will drive up prices.


68 posted on 12/20/2014 7:03:28 AM PST by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: thackney

The key word is “eventually”.

History shows otherwise for companies with the financial wherewithal to take the downturns and to snap up reserves cheap via purchase rather than the drillbit.

My BD experience shows a pletHora of companies that utilize that strategy and it works.

If you are implying the downturn will never reverse, that is just flat wrong, as proven by history.

Your comments are most pertinent for some companies, but not all.


69 posted on 12/20/2014 9:54:54 AM PST by bestintxas (Every time a RINO is defeated a Founding Father gets his wings.)
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To: bestintxas

If you are implying the downturn will never reverse, that is just flat wrong, as proven by history.

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Oh heck no. I’m must be speaking poorly. I know the roller coaster ride will continue.


70 posted on 12/22/2014 4:40:07 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Muslims hardly ever lie when they've been drinking.

In vino veritas? In the KSA?...........

71 posted on 12/22/2014 6:23:54 AM PST by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: Red Badger
Red, I am sorry to shatter your illusions, but your top Ay-rabs and especially the princelings are pretty good boozers. Once they leave the Kingdom, the feeling is that the proscription on alcohol is off. "Leave the Kingdom" can mean stepping on a yacht tied to the dock... Flying over the Kingdom.... Visiting the abode of an infidel... medicinal purposes behind the high faux-mud walls ... stepping into the back room at Shorty Achmed's Gas Station ... hitting the fleshpots of Dubai, Quatar,,,,, doing a sex tour to Thailand, etc. It's a moveable feast.

Nor are ....gasp ... bootleg spirits unknown to the lower ranking neighbors. Dates, raisins, etc. etc. etc. are distilled into a fiery brew called "siddiqui" which sort of means "my friend." Avoid it, unless you have a liver donor lined up.

BTW, Ole Mo hisself (May Peace Be Upon Him, of course) was known to hoist a few and is not the author of the ban on alcohol, which is very strictly enforced. If a foreign guest worker (Euro or American) is loaded under the wrong circumstances or in the wrong place, it can be immediate deportation. If it's an African, Filipino, Indian, or Pakistani, trust me, it's a lot more horrible than that.

What, you thought I was the only hypocrite on the planet?

72 posted on 12/22/2014 6:52:16 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (The fate of the Republic rests in the hands of the '15 -16 Congress. God help us.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Well, I knew that they ‘indulged’ when outside the KSA, but inside I thought everyone was ‘sober as a judge’............kinda like Baptists on a fishing trip............


73 posted on 12/22/2014 7:41:12 AM PST by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: Red Badger
‘sober as a judge’

Either your blushing innocence becomes you .... or you live in a part of Florida somewhat better represented on the bench than mine!

74 posted on 12/22/2014 8:38:23 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (The fate of the Republic rests in the hands of the '15 -16 Congress. God help us.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

I know only two judges from our district (1st) and they are both very sober people. Can’t speak for the rest of them..............


75 posted on 12/22/2014 8:51:07 AM PST by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: Red Badger

I’ve read your question about a dozen times but still can’t make heads or tails of it.


76 posted on 12/22/2014 8:58:05 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the Republican Party does not want you.)
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To: Monty22002
The oil market is a huge racket, that’s why. It’s as far from a free market as possible.

Do you have any background in economics?

77 posted on 12/22/2014 8:59:41 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the Republican Party does not want you.)
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To: mrsmith
The glut is just making it cheaper for them to do so.

+1+1+1

78 posted on 12/22/2014 9:19:25 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the Republican Party does not want you.)
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To: discostu
Companies and countries go bankrupt.

The assets have a life of their own.

79 posted on 12/22/2014 9:23:04 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the Republican Party does not want you.)
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To: gogeo

Yes actually.


80 posted on 12/22/2014 9:30:01 AM PST by Monty22002
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