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Christians have not been losing in the public square because we do not have the arguments to respond to the New Moral Revolution of the Cultural Left. We have been losing because we have not been making those arguments, or have not been making them articulately enough. We’ve often bought the laughable lies that morality simultaneously does not exist, and cannot be legislated. Both of these lies are simply a means of keeping us from fighting for what is right in the public square. In many cases, we’ve vacated the battlefield. It’s time to engage like never before—because as we see with abortion, assisted suicide, and euthanasia, lives literally depend on it.

Perfectly stated!

1 posted on 12/09/2014 7:17:40 AM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 12/09/2014 7:18:09 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 12/09/2014 7:19:16 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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First, Christians are told loudly, we can’t legislate morality.

All of our laws are based on The Decalogue.

4 posted on 12/09/2014 7:22:08 AM PST by Slyfox (To put on the mind of George Washington read ALL of Deuteronomy 28, then read his Farewell Address)
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To: wagglebee

Well...a lot of my fellow Christians didn’t want to pull the lever for Romney.


5 posted on 12/09/2014 7:22:30 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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BUMP!


6 posted on 12/09/2014 7:24:32 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens.)
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To: wagglebee

I still say we lost a lot the day Jerry Falwell died.


7 posted on 12/09/2014 7:26:06 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard III: Loyalty Binds Me)
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To: wagglebee

I agree with the writer’s thesis regarding many Christians buying into the “you can’t legislate morality”, and I’ve also heard many Christians say that getting involved in politics is unGodly and unChristian, that the world is gonna do what the world is gonna do, that “it’s all gonna burn anyway”’ and now, I am also hearing “well, God is working all,of this out according to His will, He is in control” (sort of a Calvinistic fatalism).


9 posted on 12/09/2014 7:31:21 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: wagglebee

The article assumes that you are dealing with a rational being and that your arguments will sway Liberals/Progressives/Atheists. It has been shown many times that Liberals/Progressives/Atheists are anything but rational.

Discussing anything with Liberals/Progressives/Atheists is like trying to put a cloud in a box.


11 posted on 12/09/2014 7:35:58 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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Both of these lies are simply a means of keeping us from fighting for what is right in the public square. In many cases, we’ve vacated the battlefield.

I would only add that many, many pastors in churches across America have been almost shaming their congregations into silence.

Following the success of the "Moral Majority" as a cultural and political force, and particularly after the AIDS epidemic, church leaders have chided congregations into silence by agreeing with the Left that all public opposition was hateful and that we should show compassion and love.

I recall hearing over and over how people with AIDS were the modern era lepers ( a completely false analogy). I recall hearing how we should not focus on one sin (homosexuality). I recall hearing how unruly, condemning and lacking in compassion Christians had become in their war against the homosexual tide.

And now, as a result, for the most part the church is mute and homosexual "marriage" is legal in nearly all fifty states. Christians were told to basically just disengage politically and culturally and work to show compassion instead of shining the light on sin. As a result, many people obeyed and pulled up tent stakes and let the darkness begin to overwhelm.

And here we are today. The church is silent, cowering in the corner, fearful of being labeled as un-compassionate, non-Christlike, and judgmental, and millions upon millions of souls will now face eternity apart from their Creator as a result.

12 posted on 12/09/2014 7:36:52 AM PST by Obadiah
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Yes well said....but far too many social conservatives have themselves to blame for others being “turned off”....
Sometimes we cannot take yes for an answer.........


14 posted on 12/09/2014 7:40:47 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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18 posted on 12/09/2014 7:44:30 AM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: wagglebee

You can’t have a debate with a leftist on campus. All they know are shallow memes and fabricated narratives.
They have to silence you.


19 posted on 12/09/2014 7:47:53 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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Not all have! Not my Church, not my Pastor and Not Pastor Cruz!

http://media.perpetuatech.com/watch?v=MDFERjZDOTcyMw#


21 posted on 12/09/2014 7:53:30 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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If the current Republicans fail, I’m done. I’ll focus my time and energy on what comes later.


22 posted on 12/09/2014 7:53:52 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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This subject makes me so angry, I can’t see straight. I tried for YEARS to help instill values in public school children and can count on the fingers of ONE hand the number of adults who tried to give me support. I simply don’t want to hear it anymore from ANYONE. Administrators constantly accused me of putting “politics” in the classroom. People are getting exactly what they deserve for failure to stand up and defend those trying to do what is right.


23 posted on 12/09/2014 7:54:33 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin ( Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you,)
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To: wagglebee

Bookmarked.


24 posted on 12/09/2014 7:54:43 AM PST by optiguy (If government is the answer, it was a stupid question.)
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Argument:

IF ‘Paul’ wrote that Christians should lead lives, and be the evidence of things, to make the rest of the world envious to poseess what they see in Christians ....
How does a Christian accomplish that, when they keep their mouth shut?
Was it not Christians that talked back against slavery?
was it not Christians that talked back about Communism, causing so many to find a truth hidden, and then the strength to get out of a devilish system?

We have come to live in a time where to say anything that IS wrong, is to say something heretical.
We have come to a time in America, where one does not wish to lose what they have, what they do, or what defines them, in the face of: “Yeah? You and what army?”

From what I remember, Christianity ain’t about what you got in your pocket, or over your head, or what you are just about to shove in your mouth. I believe that it is written that if you do what you are supposed to do, as it has already been defined in the book, those things will be covered. It might not be a Maserati, a four bedroom home, or a filet mignon on your plate with the trimmings, or that omega on your wrist, but you will be taken care of, in faith. Elijah had crows bring him food. Remember that.

As long as you keep your mouth shut about what you believe, you can’t get anyone to come closer to get the rest of the story.


28 posted on 12/09/2014 8:20:27 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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The primary reason Christians are losing in the public square is that they do not control the high points in the society: education, mass media, business, and government. I list education first because the ivory tower is the control tower of a society. We have to go back to Reagan to find a President who was not an Ivy League or other elitist college, as an undergraduate or in law school. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, most Presidents have had this background, with few exceptions (Johnson, Truman, Harding). The elite universities have been dominated by secular humanism for over a century. William Buckley declaimed this situation in his first book, "God and Man at Yale" written 60 years ago.

By and large, colleges formed by Christian organizations of various stripes have gone at best to the liberal side of their religion, or more commonly, entirely abandoned any Christian underpinnings. Until the university system collapses due to financial failure or outside competition through remote, on-line learning, the secular humanist grip on the ivory tower will remain.

Why is this important? In the 1980s and 1990s, the Christian Right, led by Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, et. al., won significant victories electorally. However, none of the victories were long lived because of the electoral cycle replacing conservatives with liberals (e.g. the 2006 and 2008 elections, the most recent liberal high tide) and the death or retirement of the principal leaders. Of the men listed above, only Robertson tried to groom an heir (Ralph Reed), but he didn't pan out.

52 posted on 12/09/2014 9:01:07 AM PST by Wallace T.
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When both parties are opposed to your belief’s, what do you do?


65 posted on 12/09/2014 9:20:47 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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That’s why the Left had a white-hot seething hatred for Jerry Falwell and his allies. For a brief moment in history he convinced America that we CAN and we SHOULD legislate morality.


68 posted on 12/09/2014 9:22:00 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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