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Q&A: Oil eventually will lose its place as leading auto fuel
Fuel Fix ^ | November 23, 2014 | Collin Eaton

Posted on 11/24/2014 4:54:32 AM PST by thackney

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To: thackney; Manly Warrior

As pointed out by ‘Manly Warrior’, oil/gas/diesel has the highest weight-to-energy ratio of any envisioned power source. In addition to this, is the fact that our technology to reduce tailpipe emissions constantly improves. An emphatic example is the fact that I drive a diesel (TDI) car that does not make black clouds when the pedal is pressed.

The best base power, least polluting chain leading to transportation nirvana would be nuclear power station creating H2 feedstock leading to ‘gas stations’ allowing individuals to fuel their vehicles in the same time frame as current petrol vehicles. Fuel cell technology is minimally polluting while electric drive trains seem only to be improving daily.


21 posted on 11/24/2014 5:44:27 AM PST by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: thackney

Cars should have solar panels and windmills.....that’s the wave of the future......do I really need a sarc tag!!!


22 posted on 11/24/2014 5:56:08 AM PST by ontap
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To: SES1066

He does not tell the complete story. The energy density of LNG is one-half of gasoline. You would have to burn 2 gallons of LNG to travel the same distance provided by 1 gallon of gasoline. That makes the cost per mile about the same. You would also need a gas tank twice as large to hold the LNG. They never tell you that.


23 posted on 11/24/2014 5:59:38 AM PST by robert14 (cng)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Shell is hoping some go LNG.

In the Great Lakes Corridor, Shell plans to install a small-scale liquefaction unit (0.25 million tons per annum) at its Shell Sarnia Manufacturing Centre in Sarnia, Ontario, Canada. Once operational, this project will supply LNG fuel to all five Great Lakes, their bordering U.S. states and Canadian provinces and the St. Lawrence Seaway. The Interlake Steamship Company is expected to be the first marine customer in this region, as it begins the conversion of its vessels.

http://www.shell.com/global/aboutshell/media/news-and-media-releases/2013/natural-gas-for-transport-corridors-05032012.html


24 posted on 11/24/2014 6:00:34 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

Budweiser recently replaced diesel in its Houston-based trucks with compressed natural gas. http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2014/09/09/budweiser-puts-its-diesel-trucks-out-to-pasture-switches-to-natural-gas/ People in Houston seem to know a bit about fuel.


25 posted on 11/24/2014 6:02:41 AM PST by Qout
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To: thackney

On the Canadian side of the lake, Canada Steamship Lines has booked construction of four new iron ore/coal/stone carriers to be built in China.
The carriers are to be equipped with scrubbers, allowing continued use of Number 6 oil.


26 posted on 11/24/2014 6:20:50 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: thackney

Yep, eventually, oil will run out. Maybe in the next 300 years or so. In my opinion, by then, we’ll be using HYDROGEN as our fuel. Just think, no pollution, and every one will be able to make it in their kitchen. It’s really very easy to produce, but the big problem is, at the present time, there is no way to store it safely. Once the problem of storing HYDROGEN safely can be figured out, then no one will ever think of using anything else. Once that happens, the government will be in a terrible “TIZZY”. HOW TO TAX IT?


27 posted on 11/24/2014 6:21:59 AM PST by gingerbread
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To: gingerbread
Just think, no pollution, and every one will be able to make it in their kitchen.

What is the magic source of hydrogen?

28 posted on 11/24/2014 6:25:09 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: Iron Munro; All
Some people have an intuitive grasp of the obvious.

I was going to say, 'Ya think?'
29 posted on 11/24/2014 6:25:38 AM PST by notdownwidems (Washington DC has become the enemy of free people everywhere)
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To: gingerbread
Once that happens, the government will be in a terrible “TIZZY”. HOW TO TAX IT?

Fret ye not, the government will have teams of bureaucrats develop a way to do so.
30 posted on 11/24/2014 6:27:14 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: thackney

” says the commercial automobile market is the last bastion of crude oil,”

Well, except for textiles, medicines, packaging, plastics and just about every other thing every human being touches every day.


31 posted on 11/24/2014 6:43:50 AM PST by CSM
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To: CSM

Those are produced mostly from Natural Gas Liquids. Most of those are sourced from Natural Gas Processing plants A much smaller percentage comes from refinery processing.


32 posted on 11/24/2014 6:46:40 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

Because we will all be walking instead?!?


33 posted on 11/24/2014 7:25:04 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: thackney

Oil starts with saltwater algae, which is highly renewable.. Growing genetically engineered super algae on the open ocean seems like an obvious contender for a replacement, with the added benefit it forms a CO2 closed loop. Likely the military will fund the research that cracks this nut. Any legacy oil still left in the ground might become worthless overnight, so now is the time to drill baby drill!


34 posted on 11/24/2014 7:30:50 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Reeses

I firmly believe God put enough oil here for us to use as “compressed sunlight” until He decides to come back.


35 posted on 11/24/2014 7:32:53 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Reeses

I think cost still leaves this as a non-option for now.

Oil has the benefit of the same processing already completed.


36 posted on 11/24/2014 7:45:11 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney
I think cost still leaves this as a non-option for now.

That's why it will require the U.S. Military, the world's largest oil user, to make it happen. The first integrated circuit chip cost $1,000 each. The first orders were for a new advanced bomber's navigation system. Thanks to the military having a price is no object motive, they jump started the industry. Today ICs cost pennies. That has been the sequence for pretty much all major technologies we take for granted today.

37 posted on 11/24/2014 8:11:33 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Reeses

I would prefer not to use tax payer dollars.

Why benefit that technology over gas-to-liquid?

Politicians are not the best for making such decisions.


38 posted on 11/24/2014 8:13:50 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

LNG for military jets isn’t practical. Gas is relatively cheap now but its price will rise as use catches up to the new supply.


39 posted on 11/24/2014 8:45:00 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Reeses
LNG for military jets isn’t practical.

I do not mean LNG. Gas-to-Liquids is creating diesel, Kerosene, etc from a Natural Gas.

For Example:
http://www.shell.com/global/aboutshell/major-projects-2/pearl/overview.html

Gas is relatively cheap now but its price will rise as use catches up to the new supply.

Eventually yes, just as oil eventually did. I recommend you include methane hydrates in your estimates of Natural Gas Supplies.

40 posted on 11/24/2014 8:48:36 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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