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To: RetiredTexasVet

Eight percent is achievable in a low fee highly diversified balanced fund (2/3 stocks, 1/3 bonds). The Vanguard Wellington Fund has been in existence since 1929. Its average annual return since 1929 has been 8.29%. Its average return over the past 10 years , which includes the 2008 recession, is 8.38%. Its average annual return over the past 5 years is 11.98%, three years 13.75%, and one year 11.94%.

Had California simply put its pension money in Wellington ten years ago, the fund would be solvent and it could have saved the cost of an entire bureaucracy. Fire the administrators today and let a private sector firm with decades of proven performance manage the money.


15 posted on 11/15/2014 6:05:43 PM PST by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Soul of the South

imho oil will go to $35@ barrel by 2025. As the cost of oil drops, revenues to california’s institutions will rise & they’ll be fully funded before crunch time.


39 posted on 11/15/2014 7:45:24 PM PST by ckilmer (q)
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To: Soul of the South

Vanguard Wellington Fund https://personal.vanguard.com/us/funds/snapshot?FundId=0021&FundIntExt=INT
Characteristics as of 10/31/2014
Fund total net assets $87.8 billion

CalPers managed $257.4 billion in assets, 2013.
The 124 billion dollars of income in the nine-year period 1999-2007 has been reduced in half by the combined losses of 67 billion in 2008 and 2009. This totals to 57 billion dollars of investment income during this 11-year period, or about 5.1 billion a year on an investment portfolio of 261 billion in October 2007 and down to 186 billion in October 2008. This is a 2.5% return on investment over the 11-year period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CalPERS#Investment_income_gains_and_losses_1999-2009
Not that VWELX is the only fish in the ocean, but unlikely they would expand it to the size of CalPers.


45 posted on 11/15/2014 8:08:35 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good.)
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To: Soul of the South
Wellington is a great fund. I have my mom in the Wellesley Fund, which is about 2/3 high quality corporate bonds and treasuries, plus 1/3 dividend-focused stocks.
47 posted on 11/15/2014 8:40:03 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Soul of the South

No, they would simply have promised more and spent more and they’d still be in the same boat.

If the investment was actually returning 8%, they would have used 15% for their predictions so they could keep everyone paid and happy...


50 posted on 11/15/2014 9:33:03 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Soul of the South

u do understand that the larger a fund grows the more difficult it is to garner such returns? See how Pimpco has performed over the past few years? The law of diminishing returns comes into play. By the way they do allocate huge sums to hedge funds and the like some of whom do throw that money into other funds. (funds of funds).


52 posted on 11/16/2014 4:08:58 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Soul of the South

But then is wishes were wings then pigs would be a flying!


55 posted on 11/16/2014 1:57:18 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Put lipstick on a Communist and call it a Progressive, but it's still a Communist with lipstick.)
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