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‘Dreamer Moms’ fast near White House, hoping Obama will grant them legal status
Washington Post ^ | November 14, 2014 | By Pamela Constable

Posted on 11/15/2014 6:43:39 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: dennisw

Thanks for clearing that up for me.


61 posted on 11/15/2014 2:07:57 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (The Gruber Revelations are proof that God is still smiling on America.)
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To: cloudmountain

Sorry, no. FIRST, remove the incentives, for illegals and the rest...get rid of the welfare state, Fed and State (NO property shall be taken...).

Biz are not obligated to do the job the Fed was tasked to accomplish; and 30+million IS an invasion.

Then the States that harbor (’sanctuary cities’). If it was ‘bad’ for AZ, it should be worse for LA, NY, etc. NO Fed. taxpayer $$ to any State/city that flouts the immigration laws (non compliance). Let their citizens know why the gravy train ended.


62 posted on 11/15/2014 6:07:14 PM PST by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: i_robot73
Sorry, no. FIRST, remove the incentives, for illegals and the rest...get rid of the welfare state, Fed and State (NO property shall be taken...). Biz are not obligated to do the job the Fed was tasked to accomplish; and 30+million IS an invasion. Then the States that harbor (’sanctuary cities’). If it was ‘bad’ for AZ, it should be worse for LA, NY, etc. NO Fed. taxpayer $$ to any State/city that flouts the immigration laws (non compliance). Let their citizens know why the gravy train ended.

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First you have to get rid of GREED on the part of the farmers who hire the illegals because normal workers get $35.00/hour for picking strawberries. The profit motive drives our economy. How do you get rid of that?

Also, outing sanctuary cities is easy to say but almost impossible to police. Our states and cities simply aren't built for that. Small towns? Easy to monitor but urban areas? I'd like to know HOW those urban centers could be monitored, policed and punished.

30 million IS an invasion. Our borders, both south and north are HUGE and unmanned. No one wants to "sneak" into Canada to live. Wonderful country but it's not here.

The southern border is leaky, to say the least. The USA could go to the former Communist East Germany to ask about walls, guards, dogs, etc., as to how effective they are. People always get through borders. The Mexican coyotes make their living sneaking illegals into the USA, as our southern border has 1,989 miles (Google) of MOSTLY open land. Fences are undermined. Tunnels are dug. The "underground" railway, SO TO SPEAK, is as flourishing as it was in the slave days.

The incentive for Mexicans to work here is directly related to the greed and corruption of the Mexican government. There is no quid pro quo for them. They simply TAKE all the time. Mexican politics aren't going to change any time soon.

As for welfare here, we elected the Democrat/Welfare state TWICE with its leader Barrack Hussein Welfare Obama. He was born and brought up in Honolulu, Hawaii, Hawaii being a HUGE welfare state and that is what he knows.
Americans MIGHT be forgiven for electing him once but TWICE? I LIKED McCain and Palin in 2008. As for 2012, I hardly think I would vote for Romney as Mormons believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. They STILL do today.
How askew is that? It says that Jesus is a created being, like former "light bearer" Lucifer. If ANYONE would believe that, then s/he would believe that Putin is a regular Joe who is really a nice guy.

I think that we DO agree on the basics but only have fairly minor disagreements on the HOW. God bless you i_robot73 but OIL that brain a bit. It's a bit rusty on some parts. :o)

63 posted on 11/16/2014 8:19:33 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: sheana
No I did not say that. I said they will qualify for benefits because of the number of people in their families and the pay they receive....ON THE GRID. The minute they are made legal in any way they will receive benefits.
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http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/visa-green-card-holder-pay-taxes-29639.html:
Even if you are not a U.S. citizen, you may be required to pay taxes in the United States. Whether or not you must file a U.S. tax return depends upon whether the U.S. government considers you a "tax resident."
All permanent residents (green card holders) are tax residents.
Filing a tax return can be a good thing if you've been working for an employer who's been withholding taxes from your paycheck -- you may get a refund!

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I said they will qualify for benefits because of the number of people in their families and the pay they receive....ON THE GRID.
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If they are ON THE GRID then they pay income taxes.
SOME states, like California also have a state INCOME TAX.

***If they paid taxes, which ALL green card holders MUST do, then they have EARNED those tax benefits. They/you DON'T get any more out of the federal/state tax systems than they/you paid INTO it. If you paid $2000.00 income tax, you DON'T get more than $2000.00 out of it.

***If they paid into Social Security, then they are ENTITLED to its benefits.
Social Security is calculated via the HIGHEST income years. I THINK that it's the highest three years. THAT I know because I get my HUSBAND's Social Security benefits because HE was an engineer and I always made 1/3 of what he made as a teacher. So, thanks to HIS education and profession I reap the higher Social Security benefits.
Even if he had had TEN wives, the social security mavens said, they would ALL get the same amount of benefits. He only had ONE, me.

Mexican nationals who paid into U.S.A. Social Security WILL receive their benefits, USUALLY sent to a BANK in Mexico. I know that from personal experience.

64 posted on 11/16/2014 9:09:43 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

You just keep on believing whatever you want since no one can tell you anything.


65 posted on 11/16/2014 3:01:51 PM PST by sheana
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To: sheana
You just keep on believing whatever you want since no one can tell you anything.

YOU sure can't. :o)

66 posted on 11/16/2014 4:49:46 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Don’t send me anymore private mail with your BS. I don’t argue with idiots.


67 posted on 11/16/2014 7:09:09 PM PST by sheana
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Good. More food for the rest of us.


68 posted on 11/16/2014 7:10:28 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

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- PICK THE TRUE COMMENT :

- Ms. Reyes did not eat any FOOD for 10 straight days and nights -

- If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor -

- “Obama is a Schmidty golfer -” —

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69 posted on 11/20/2014 7:10:44 AM PST by devolve (- barter &/or trade items &/or services - let the IRS and DOJ get their money from illegal aliens -)
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