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U.S. CARRIERS DEAL NEW BLOWS TO PHILIPPINES; SUPERFORTRESSES BOMB FORMOSA, ALL RETURN (10/17/44)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 10/17/44 | George Horne, Sidney Shalett, George Jones, Clifton Daniel, Drew Middleton, Frederick Graham

Posted on 10/17/2014 4:37:38 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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First session: September 1, 2009. Last date to add: September 2, 2015.
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1 posted on 10/17/2014 4:37:38 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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2 posted on 10/17/2014 4:43:21 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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The Nimitz Graybook

3 posted on 10/17/2014 4:43:56 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from yesterday.

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The West Point Military History Series, Thomas E. Griess, Editor, The Second World War: Asia and the Pacific

4 posted on 10/17/2014 4:46:44 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Continued from October 15.

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John Toland, The Rising Sun: The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire, 1936-1945

5 posted on 10/17/2014 4:50:54 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; 2banana; henkster; meandog; ...
Japanese Hard Hit (Horne, Shalett) – 2-3
Ships off Formosa Fight Foe 10 Hours (Jones) – 3
‘Hammer Blows’ at the Japanese Still Going On, Nimitz Declares – 4-5
War New Summarized – 5
Allied Armies Build up Pressure All Along the Western Front (map) – 6
Nazi Thrusts Fail (Daniel) – 7
Foe Pays Heavily in Aachen Attacks (Middleton) – 7-8
Third Army Drops Fort Driant Siege (Graham) – 8
Sergeant Solved Hedgerow Blocks – 8
American Gun Crew in Action in the Streets of Aachen (page 1 photo) – 9
Russian Assault on Warsaw Hinted – 9
Teaming Up against the Japanese (photo) – 11
The Texts of the Day’s Communiques on Fighting in Various Zones – 12-14
Jesuit Priest Marks His Diamond Jubilee (photo) – 14
6 posted on 10/17/2014 4:52:05 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1944/oct44/17oct44.htm#

Americans strike at Bologna
Tuesday, October 17, 1944 www.onwar.com

In Italy... To the west, the US 2nd Corps (part of US 5th Army) continues attacks toward Bologna. To the east, the Polish 2nd Corps (part of British 8th Army) begins attacks from south of Forli.

On the Western Front... Troops of the British 2nd Army capture Venray in attacks toward Venlo. To the south, the US 7th Army continues its offensive around Luneville and Bruyeres.

In Liberated France... The French Ministry of War and the National Council for the Resistance reach agreement on the process by which resistance forces, FFI, will be integrated into the regular army.

In the Nicobar Islands... As a diversion for the American attack on Leyte, the British Eastern Fleet sends 2 carriers, 1 battle cruiser and lighter ships on a raid of the islands. Air strikes and shelling are carried out, causing damage.

In the Philippines... US Task Group 77.4 (Admiral TF Sprague) continues air strikes on Leyte, Cebu and Mindanao. US Task Group 38.4 (Admiral Davison) arrives with 4 carriers and launches air strikes on Luzon. Also, American minesweeping in Leyte Gulf begin and there are minor landings, by elements of the US Rangers, on the islands of Suluan and Dinagat at the entrance to Leyte Gulf.


7 posted on 10/17/2014 4:53:51 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.etherit.co.uk/month/9/17.htm

October 17th, 1944 (TUESDAY)

UNITED KINGDOM: The Eighth Air Force flies Mission 681: 1,338 bombers and 811 fighters are dispatched on PFF attacks in the Cologne, Germany area; 4 B-17s and a P-51 are lost:

- 465 B-17s are dispatched to hit marshalling yards at Cologne/Eifeltor (216) and Cologne/Gremberg (34); targets of opportunity are Cologne/Kalk marshalling yard (151) and other (2); a B-17 is lost. Escort is provided by 274 P-47s and P-51s without loss.

- 453 B-17s are dispatched to hit marshalling yards at Cologne/Gereon (295) and Cologne/Kalk (142); 3 B-17s are lost. Escort is provided by 271 P-47s and P-51s; a P-51 is lost.

- 430 B-24s are dispatched to hit a chemical plant at Leverkusen but weather prevents the attack; targets of opportunity hit are the Cologne/Gereon (231) and Cologne/Kalk (179) marshalling yards. Escort is provided by 229 P-47s and P-51s.

FRANCE: The French War Ministry and the national Council for the Resistance agree on how to integrate the FFI into the regular army. Political loyalties of the various resistance groups have caused many problems with this process.

In U.S. Seventh Army’s XV Corps area, the 44th Infantry Division, untried in combat, closes in the Lunévile area. In the VI Corps area, the 45th and 36th Infantry Divisions are slowed by strong opposition as they continue to close in on Bruyéres.

In the French First Army’s II Corps area, the 3d Algerian Division and French 1st Armored Division make limited gains but at such high cost that General Jean de Lattre, Commanding General of the French First Army, calls a halt and the corps goes on the defensive. The Army commander decides to drive on Belfort in the I Corps zone.

WESTERN EUROPE: The Ninth Air Force clears all Rhine River rail and road bridges for attack; 2 days later Advance HQ prescribes bridges as having priority on the target list second only to rail lines. In Germany, 35 B-26s hit rail bridge at Euskirchen; fighters escort the bombers, fly armed reconnaissance in the Strasbourg-Colmar-Mulhouse area, attack railroads in the Allendorf an der Lahn-Gemunden area, and marshalling yard at Dielkirchen.

NETHERLANDS: Venray falls to units of the British Second Army’s VIII Corps, Third Division, during their advance to Venlo.

GERMANY: The US 7th Army continues a battle against stiffening resistance around Lunëville and Breyres.

Ulm: Rommel is given a state funeral, and von Rundstedt gives the oration in Hitler’s name, calling him “a tireless fighter in the cause of the Fuhrer ... imbued with the National Socialist spirit.”

U-3525 laid down.

U-2514 commissioned.

One hundred fifteen USAAF Fifteenth Air Force bombers attack the I.G. Farben South synthetic oil refinery at Blechhammer with the loss of five aircraft; two other aircraft hit targets of opportunity.

AUSTRIA: The USAAF Fifteenth Air Force attacks targets in the Vienna area: 62 bomb the industrial area, 26 bomb the Saurerwerke armament factory, 22 bomb the marshalling yard and 16 bomb the city. Other targets hit are: 25 bomb the railroad at Furstenfeld, six bomb the marshalling yard at Strauss, and individual aircraft bomb four targets. Twelve bombers are lost.

CZECHOSLOVAKIA: Seven USAAF Fifteenth Air Force bombs hit two targets of opportunity with six bombing Ostrava Moravaska.

ITALY: General Mark Clark’s Fifth Army is making a last effort to take Bologna and northern Italy but the offensive is crippled by torrential rains and manpower and ammunition shortages.

In the U.S. Fifth Army’s IV Corps area, a patrol of Task Force 92 reaches the crest of Mt. Cauala, during the night of 17/18 October. In II Corps area, a coordinated attack by Combat Command A, 1st Armored Division, and the 135th Infantry Regiment against the Monterumici hill mass makes little progress. The 91st Infantry Division takes Lucca and improves positions to the east. Particularly heavy German fire is directed against the Livergnano area. The 34th Infantry Division is clearing the slopes of Mt. Belmonte and takes the crest of Mt. della Vigna. In the British XIII Corps area, the 21st Brigade of the Indian 8th Division begins an assault on Mt. Pianoreno. The 1st Division’s 66th Brigade attacks in the Mt. Ceco area.

In the British Eighth Army area, the Polish II Corps opens an offensive toward Forli in the evening, although all its forces have not yet assembled. The 5th Kresowa Division leads off, pushing toward Galeata from St. Piero in the Bagno area, its right flank protected by the British 1st Armoured Division. V Corps is meeting strong opposition at Acquarola and Celincordia.

Tactical operations by the Twelfth Air Force: Weather cancels all medium bomber operations and limits fighter-bombers to limited sorties in the battle area south of Bologna, hitting roads, rail lines and bridges; A-20s during the night of 16/17 October on armed reconnaissance over the Po Valley bomb targets of opportunity and cause explosions on northern edge of Ravenna.

GREECE: Rival partisans begin to fight each other and a bomb explodes during a victory parade.

The British Military Liaison Headquarters, Greece begins arriving in Athens to distribute relief supplies.

USAAF Fifteenth Air Force P-51 Mustangs escort several C-47s transporting personnel to Araxos Airfield south of Araxos.

HUNGARY: German forces successfully repulse heavy Soviet attacks near Debrecen.

The USAAF Fifteenth Air Force attack targets in Hungary: 15 bombers hit the marshalling yard at Nagykanizsa, six bomb the marshalling yard at Szombathely, and 14 aircraft hit targets of opportunity.

ROMANIA: USAAF Fifteenth Air Force P-51 Mustangs escort a B-17 Flying Fortress carrying a photo crew to Romania to photograph Ploesti.

YUGOSLAVIA: The USAAF Fifteenth Air Force bombs four targets: 17 aircraft bomb the Southwest Marshalling Yard at Maribor and 17 hit the railroad bridge in the same city; two other aircraft hit targets of opportunity. Additionally, P-51 Mustangs escort a C-47 Skytrain picking up personnel at Valjevo Airfield.

During the night of 17/18 October, 74 RAF bombers of No. 205 (Heavy Bomber) Group bomb the marshalling yard at Vinkovci.

U.S.S.R.: Soviet patrol craft BMO-527 sunk by.

MEDITERRANEAN SEA: Destroyer HMS Arrow destroyed by an accident at Taranto.

INDIAN OCEAN: British Task Force 63, including 2 carriers and 1 battlecruiser, strike the Nicobar Islands as a diversion for the coming US attack on Leyte.
These islands with be shelled today and tomorrow with additional air strikes on the 19th. Despite the damage this action as a diversion fails.

BURMA: 15 Tenth Air Force P-47s bomb a supply area near Naba, hit Japanese HQ and a supply area near Mawhun, and bomb a supply base and permanent camp at Myazedi; 8 B-25s bomb Nawnghkio airfield and 3 attack bridges near Kawlin and Thityabin; an approach to the latter bridge is damaged. Transports fly almost 300 sorties to various points in the CBI.

CHINA: The Fourteenth Air Force dispatches 15 B-25s, 12 P-40s, and 10 P-51s to attack a supply depot at Tien Ho Airfield at Canton; 2 B-24s bomb a supply depot at Victoria Harbor, Hong Kong; 44 P-51s and P-40s on armed reconnaissance attack rivercraft, troop concentrations, villages, and other targets of opportunity around Kweiping, Tengyun, Mangshih, Tajungchiang, Wuchou, and Dosing; a runway at Tanchuk Airfield suffers considerable damage.

FORMOSA: The XX Bomber Command flies Mission 12 with B-29 Superfortresses operating from Chengtu. Ten B-29s bomb Einansho air depot on Formosa while 14 others bomb alternate targets. A B-29 is lost.

Submarine USS Escolar sunk by mine in the Yellow Sea.

COMMONWEALTH OF THE PHILIPPINES: The USN’s Task Group 38.4 (Rear Admiral Ralph E. Davison) attacks Japanese installations at Legaspi and Clark Field on Luzon. Scheduled air strikes by escort aircraft carriers are postponed because of typhoon weather in the vicinity of the ships.

A USN force (Rear Admiral Arthur D. Struble) lands 500 army troops of the 6th Ranger Battalion on Suluan and Dinagat Islands at the entrance to Leyte Gulf to destroy Japanese installations that could provide early warning of U.S. forces entering the gulf. Unfortunately, the Suluan Island unit transmits a warning, prompting Admiral Toyoda Soemu, Commander in Chief Combined Fleet, to order operation SHO-1 for defending the Philippines against American invasion and bringing about a decisive battle.

The USN submarine USS Narwhal (SS-167) lands supplies on northwest coast of Tawi Tawi Island.

In the principal strike of the day almost 60 B-24s hit oil installations, barracks, and shore targets on Ilang and northern Davao Bay areas of Mindanano Island.

The IJN commander, Admiral Soemu Toyodo, orders 76 warships, including four carriers and nine battleships, to sail from Japan and Malaya for an all-out attack on the invasion force.

PACIFIC OCEAN: In the Java Sea, Dutch submarine HNMS Zwaardvisch torpedoes and sinks two Japanese ships, a minelayer and an auxiliary minelayer, about 126 nautical miles (233 kilometers) north-northeast of Surabaya, Java, Netherlands East Indies.

BONIN AND VOLCANO ISLANDS: 11 Seventh Air Force B-24s from Saipan attack shipping off Haha Jima Island, and the town of Okimura in the Bonin Islands; later, during the night of 17/18 October, a B-24 bombs an airfield on Iwo Jima.

NAURU ISLANDS: USAAF Seventh Air Force B-25s from the Gilbert Islands hit Nauru Island.

EAST INDIES: Far East Air Forces fighter-bombers and B-25s hit airfields, shipping and scattered targets of opportunity in the Halmahera Island area. In the Ceram Island-Ambon Island-Boeroe Island area A-20s, B-25s, and fighter-bombers continue to pound airfields and oil facilities.

BISMARCK ARCHIPELAGO: The USN’s Special Air Task Force (STAG 1) (Commander Robert F. Jones), based on Stirling Island in the Treasury Islands, continues operations as Interstate TDR-1 target drones are launched against Japanese installations near East Rabaul on New Britain Island. One of the four hits the objective; a second hits a target of opportunity; a third is lost due to the failure of a vacuum tube in the drone receiver; a fourth may have been shot down (light and inaccurate antiaircraft fire is noted).

CANADA: Armed yacht HMCS Beaver paid off.

U.S.A.:

Frigate USS Covington commissioned.

Submarines USS Conger and Runner launched.

Coast Guard-manned Army vessel FS-203 was commissioned at New Orleans with LTJG F. S. Shine, USCG, as first commanding officer. She was assigned to and operated in the Southwest Pacific area including Hollandia. She was decommissioned 31 October 1945.


8 posted on 10/17/2014 4:55:22 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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October 17, 1944:


"By the fall of 1944 the German situation in Poland was crumbling rapidly, as Soviet forces advanced westward through the country toward Germany.
And so the Nazis, who had enjoyed absolute mastery over Poland's residents not long before, now found themselves fighting a defensive war with a foregone conclusion.
The horror, of course, is that this turn of events came too late to prevent the extermination of three million of Poland's 3.3 million Jews.
Here, Polish fighters armed with submachine guns take aim at Nazi troops at Praga, a Warsaw suburb."

"A Jewish Brigade soldier teaches children Hebrew at the Rinshonim hachshara (agricultural training farm) in Bari, Italy, near the Adriatic Sea.
The first of the training farms in Italy, Bari and those that followed sought to prepare refugees and survivors for a new future in Palestine.
Reaching Italy in November 1944, the soldiers of the Brigade would take part in the final Allied offensive the following spring."



9 posted on 10/17/2014 5:15:46 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective,)
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It’s become obvious in the past few months that the armed forces of Imperial Japan cannot hope to survive a stand-up fight against the United States. And given the resources available to both powers even at the beginning of the war, this is no surprise. Japan had no business trying to take us on.


10 posted on 10/17/2014 5:18:45 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
We have some maps today. First: Holland. As colorado tanker has pointed out, it appears overly optimistic. I agree, particularly 64th Infantry Division on the south bank of the Scheldt Estuary.

17 Oct 44 Holland photo 17Oct44Holland_zpsf30bf64b.jpg

Next is a very large close up of the Aachen fighting, showing the American forces and German counter-attacks. Again, this is an over-optimistic appreciation of the situation.

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For now we'll skip over the Ardennes and show the Metz sector, where Patton is basically settling down to siege warfare:

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And the 6th Army Group sector in the Vosges:

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11 posted on 10/17/2014 5:32:26 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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Two more selections from today's German "Lage West" map to take a look at. First, the Ardennes sector for today.

17 Oct 44 Ardennes photo 17Oct44Ardennes_zps15c050fe.jpg

The second cropping is what appears about 75-100 miles north-northwest of the Ruhr:

17 Oct 44 6 pz photo 17Oct446pz_zpse3d3220d.jpg

This is a fairly important development. Anyone care to guess what it is?

12 posted on 10/17/2014 5:40:15 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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Japan lost the war with the first bomb at Pearl Harbor. Arguably, they lost the war when the idea of attacking the Southern Resource Area came up.

Heck, they probably lost it at the Marco Polo bridge...

The grim economic realities:

Nearly twice the population of Japan.
Seventeen time’s Japan’s national income.
Five times more steel production.
Seven times more coal production.
Eighty (80) times the automobile production.

http://www.combinedfleet.com/economic.htm


13 posted on 10/17/2014 6:08:36 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Ask about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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Nice cite to the Combined Fleet website. What a great resource and those guys really do a terrific job.

The disparity in all aspects is clearly showing now. There were some other somewhat non-quantifiable aspects as well. As Homer’s posts point out today, our stuff is better and our technology is better. Also, we were a mechanically inclined urban industrial society, which meant that we had a bigger base of already trained or experienced mechanics to keep our stuff working in top condition.

The Japanese didn’t have that. In fact, the biggest loss for the Japanese at Midway wasn’t necessarily the carriers or flight crews. It was the hangar crews that serviced the planes and kept them flying. Japan had a serious shortage of guys with these skills, and it took the IJN years to train them. They were all cut down in minutes by the bomb blasts in those enclosed hangars, and never adequately replaced.


14 posted on 10/17/2014 8:04:33 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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You’ll spill the beans eventually?


15 posted on 10/17/2014 10:12:23 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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Auffrischung is german for replenshment. So it has something to do with that.

But Osnabruck is not on the way to Berlin from where the allies are breaking out. 1st and Third Armys are way south and straight to Berlin by passes this.

Are the Brits going to get into trouble and need rescuing?


16 posted on 10/17/2014 11:50:56 AM PDT by Steven Scharf
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To: Steven Scharf; Hebrews 11:6; colorado tanker; Tax-chick; Homer_J_Simpson

Yes it has to do with “replenishment.” And I’m not sure that this is even happening in the Osnabruck area; this may be an administrative activity that has been denoted on the map in any handy vacant spot.

But there is more to it than that. Look at the units designated, and then take a close look at the Ardennes sector map. I’ll give up the answer later but want colorado tanker to have a chance to weigh in. He likes my maps.


17 posted on 10/17/2014 12:04:45 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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Build up of forces and materiel for what become the Battle of the Bulge?


18 posted on 10/17/2014 12:26:38 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Without airplane flights from Africa, the number of Ebola cases in America would be ZERO.)
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At the point they reached in 1941, Japan had to take us on or accept a sudden and substantial decline in their regional power. On the other hand, if they’d thought ahead and waited until the mid 40s to pursue their takeover of China, it would have been a whole different ballgame.


19 posted on 10/17/2014 1:23:23 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Feeling fine about the end of the world!)
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To: henkster

Great maps as usual.

“Siege warfare” certainly doesn’t sound like Patton’s style.


20 posted on 10/17/2014 1:27:06 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate over unjust law & government in the forum of ideas)
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