Posted on 10/14/2014 5:52:48 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
This is the CDC procedure for donning and doffing personal protective equipment (PPE) specifically for ebola found here.
I worked in the medical device business doing R&D product development and project management for Becton Dickinson's medical examination glove business for seven years. I know for a fact how ineffective as a viral barrier these products really can be. For a disease as virulent and dangerous as ebola, one with symptoms that produce large amounts of hazardous bodily fluids, this is woefully inadequate equipment and a seriously deficient procedure. Nurses often have chapped hands or dermatitis because of constant use of alcohol based hand sanitizers, hand washing, and wearing gloves. With this procedure, one minor slip removing a glove or article of clothing means virtually instant infection. At the very least, the worker should wear a liner glove that is removed last.
For the head of the CDC, Dr. Thomas Frieden, to claim that the nurse in Texas caught the disease because of a failure to follow the protocol is beyond absurd, it is criminal. I doubt this SOB has ever tried this procedure. Somebody should put that clown in the gear, coat it with grease, and ask him to take it off without getting dirty.
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/ppe-poster.pdf
He’s taking the official hands off policy like the one being used by the Oval Office.
Of course, he could always claim stupidity as an excuse, as long as he submits said explanation along with his resignation.
Wow. wow. wow. The procedure DOES NOT require that the suited person be washed down with bleach before removing gloves, booties, hood, etc. Am I reading the procedure correctly? How can this be? I am an engineer not a medical person. Can someone with a medical background explain to me why the procedure does require a bleach wash down before removing the protective gear?
Wow!! That’s the same body covering I put on when I accidentally break a compact fluorescent light bulb !!!
And how to handle money that may have passed through an Ebola traveler’s hands? At the airport and beyond?
We are led to believe that those who worked with Duncan were wearing full hazmat suits.
On our local Dallas station they showed what they actually wore:
A paper mask, one pair of latex gloves, a cotton gown and goggles.
Except for the goggles that is what I wore in the late 1970s when I worked in a hospital isolation ward.
That is the very minimal that is worn in isolation.
A paper mask, a cotton gown and a pair of latex gloves are meant to protect the patient from something a nurse might expose him to.
Medical staff working with ebola patients need to be wearing full hazmat gear.
Where are the full hazmat suits? We see them on camera going in and out of apartments. Are hazmats only for the camera?
It’s insane.
Also note on the CDC website that there are instructions for the importation of monkeys and birds into the U.S.
They BOTH require a quarantine period.
Ping for you.
That’s basic isolation that I learned in nursing school, what you’d do for MRSA or C-diff, plus a face mask.
Not nearly good enough for Ebola.
As you said, no leg protection, no booties. Gear is not impermeable enough to be rinsed with a chlorine solution.
Health care personnel dealing with Ebola need full biohazard gear. Better yet, an articulating suit.
I wonder at what point you cut your losses - what fraction of Ebola patients in organ or respiratory failure can be saved? If it’s progressed that far, maybe cold calculation says let them go rather than assume the risk of infecting more people.
Let’s see Frieden. Visit an ebola patient using those recommendations. Wish that Megan Kelly would have that as a follow up. Put up or shut up.
I am again dumd-founded. Paper masks and cotton gowns? Why hasn’t this been reported. Can you forward the report to OReilly or Rush?
You are absolutely correct. I wonder if Dr. Frieden has actually done any clinical practice(outside of residency) in the last 20 years.
Nurses are where the rubber meets the road(or the nitrile, as the case may be).
A large man spewing vomit from one end and explosive diarrhea from the other would be a challenge for any 3 nurses to care for. Not to mention the fact that ebola patients sometimes become agitated. That’s why so many Nigerian nurses got sick and died from caring for that fellow, the “Minnesotan” who ended up dying in Lagos. He was a big guy and became agitated and difficult to control.
And whatever became of Youngor Jallah, the stepdaughter of Duncan who took him to the ER the final time? Last I heard, her and her husband and three kids had the sniffles and were being minimally surveilled by the CDC. Almost like an afterthought. They were in an apartment without electricity, phone or water, due to some storms. They hadn’t heard from CDC for a day or so. She was exposed to him, his vomit, his sweaty bedclothes and rode in the ambulance with him. Guess I’ll just have to keep checking the UK news, as always!
Mrs. AV
Frieden was just on Megan Kelly and claimed that you do not need to cover your hair when treating ebola.
Friedman just told Megan Kelly that you do not need to cover your head or feet when treating an ebola patient.
I don’t know who to send this to. Anyone know?
The first time two doctors wore it into my room, I joked with them, "Hazmat?" But it's definitely not hazmat level.
That can't be all the nurses were made to wear for an Ebola patient. Can it be? What a nightmare.
Friedan is just plain STUPID! I cannot believe what he told Megan.
> And how to handle money that may have passed through an Ebola traveler’s hands?
You may still be able to find disposable food-prep gloves. Decide when you’ll begin wearing them at all times in public, how often to change them, and what donning/doffing protocols to follow. Put the change in a separate pocket. Don’t touch it for a few days.
It’s going to quickly become hard to find surgical gloves, and it’s probably already too late to add full body level 4 PPE to your prep pile.
Obviously, use a card at a scanner instead of cash. In tipping situations, tell the cashier/server to keep the change. Use Amazon instead of visiting stores.
Where I live is a mere 8 hour drive by interstate from what may be a new hot zone in TX. That risk is now weeks old, and there won’t be an all-clear possibility until about Oct 24. Welcome to Change You Can Bereave In.
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