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'Not Islamic'?
Townhall.com ^ | September 23, 2014 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 09/23/2014 10:35:44 AM PDT by Kaslin

resident Obama declared in his recent address to the nation that "ISIL is not Islamic."

But how does he know? On what basis did the president of the United States declare the a group of Muslims that calls itself "Islamic State" "not Islamic"?

Has he studied Islam and Islamic history and concluded that ISIL, Boko Haram, al-Qaida, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Taliban, Jamaat-e-Islami, Lashkar-e-Taiba (the group that slaughtered 166 people in Mumbai, most especially guests at the Taj Hotel,and which tortured to death a rabbi and his wife), the various Palestinian terrorist groups (all of which have been Muslim, even though there are many Christian Palestinians), and the Muslim terror groups in Somalia, Yemen, Libya and elsewhere are also all "not Islamic"?

Has he concluded that the Muslim Brotherhood, which won Egypt's most open election ever, is "not Islamic?"

And what about Saudi Arabia? Is that country "not Islamic," too?

Oh, and what about Iran? Also "not Islamic"?

Isn't that a lot of Muslims, Muslim groups, and even nations -- all of whom claim Islam as their religion -- to dismiss as "not Islamic"?

To be fair, these baseless generalizations about what is and what is not Islamic started with his predecessor, President George W. Bush, who regularly announced that "Islam is a religion of peace." And it is equally unlikely that his assertion came from a study of Islam and Islamic history.

The fact is that a study of Islamic history could not lead any fair-minded individual to conclude that all these Muslims and Islamic groups are "not Islamic." Neither Islamic history, which, from its origins, offered vast numbers of people a choice between Islam and death, nor Islam as reflected in its greatest works, would lead one to draw that conclusion.

Killing "unbelievers" has been part of -- of course not all of -- Islam since its inception. Within 10 years of Muhammad's death Muslims had conquered and violently converted whole peoples from Iran to Egypt and from Yemen to Syria. Muslims have offered conquered people death or conversion since that time.

The Hindu Kush, the vast, 500-mile long, 150-mile wide mountain range stretching from Afghanistan to Pakistan, was populated by Hindus until the Muslim invasions beginning around the year 1000. The Persian name Hindu Kush was proudly given by Muslims. It means "Hindu-killer." At least 60 million Hindus were killed by Muslims during the thousand years of Muslim rule. Though virtually unknown, it may be the greatest mass murder in history next to Mao's.

The groups named above are following some dictates of the Quran.

A few of many such examples:

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" (8:12).

"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful." (9:5)

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth." (9:29).

There is also a different admonition in the Quran: "In matters of faith there shall be no compulsion" (2:256).

So a Muslim can also cite the Quran if he wishes to allow non-Muslims to live in peace.

The problem is that Muslim theological tradition, affirmed by many scholars, holds that later revelation to Muhammad supersedes prior revelation (a doctrine known as "abrogation"). And the Quranic verses ordering Muslims to fight and slay non-believers came after those admonishing Muslims to live with non-believers in peace and without religious compulsion.

The problem is that Muslim history, in keeping with the doctrine of abrogation, has far more often practiced the violent admonitions.

The problem is that more than 600 years after Muhammad, Ibn Khaldun, the greatest Muslim writer who ever lived, explained why Islam is the superior religion in the most highly regarded Muslim work ever written, "Muqaddimah," or "Introduction to History":

"In the Muslim community, the holy war is religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force."

In other words, Ibn Khaldun boasts, whereas no other religion commands converting the world through force, Islam does. Was Ibn Khaldun also "not Islamic"? And so much for the president's other claim that "no religion condones the killing of innocents."

None of this justifies bigotry against Muslims. There are hundreds of millions of non-Islamist Muslims (an Islamist is a Muslim who seeks to impose Shariah on others), including many "cultural" or secular Muslims. And individual Muslims are risking their lives every day to provide the intelligence needed to forestall terror attacks in America and elsewhere.

It is only a call to clarity amidst the falsehoods coming from the president, the secretary of state, and especially the universities.

As the courageous Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somali-born woman who leads a worldwide effort on behalf of Muslim women and for reforming Islam, asked in a speech at Yale University this month: If Islam is a religion of peace, why is there a sword on the Saudi flag?

If the president feels he has to obfuscate for the sake of gaining Muslim allies, so be it. But the rest of us don't have to make believe what he said is true.


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1 posted on 09/23/2014 10:35:44 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

excellent


2 posted on 09/23/2014 10:47:42 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: Kaslin

Pretty much sums it up. He neglected the Muslim invasion of Europe that predated the Crusades by three and a half centuries.


3 posted on 09/23/2014 10:49:20 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Kaslin

President Obama saw to it that our men gave Osama bin Laden an Islamic funeral. All muslims are in “good standing with Islam” according to the Boy King.


4 posted on 09/23/2014 10:50:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Hey Obama: If Islamic State is not Islamic, then why did you give Osama Bin Laden a muslim funeral?)
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To: Kaslin

The was NOTHING else Pres. Bush could have said about Islam, but that it was a ROP.
The Islam of Pres. Bush’s time had yet to show its true face to the world.
The American media, print and TV, was always in hunting mode, just waiting for Bush to say something, anything that could be attacked for ANY reason.
For Bush to have proclaimed (then) that Islam was the “religion” of butchery, beheading, raping, kidnapping, torture, suicide bombing, genocidal behavior, using hospitals as ammunition dumps, and storing missles under elementary schools, he would have been attacked with utmost print and video generated violence. The ACLU and American religious groups would have accused Bush of the most vile religious bigotry and the left would join in claiming that he was “NOT fit to occupy the White House.”
It is 2014, Islam has shown it true face, and anyone can make the point by merely describing what was done in the last week or so.


5 posted on 09/23/2014 10:51:11 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (N.Y. TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views.")
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To: Kaslin

Obama’s statement is designed to protect and defend Islam. Anyone who doesn’t see that for what it is, is delusional.


6 posted on 09/23/2014 10:53:21 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Kaslin

“Islam is a religion of peace.”

This should be considered the same as saying,
“Nice doggy”, while searching for a rock or stick.
(actually it would be better to be taking the safety off,
but some people just won’t learn.)


7 posted on 09/23/2014 10:55:41 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Kaslin

Finding the first “real” Muslim will be like finding the Lochness Monster!


8 posted on 09/23/2014 10:56:16 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: a fool in paradise
President Obama declared in his recent address to the nation that "ISIL is not Islamic."

How does he know that?

It's simple.

His Imam told him.

9 posted on 09/23/2014 10:58:23 AM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (Liars use facts when the truth doesn't suit their purposes.)
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To: Kaslin

Obama employs Fiction Writers to write his speeches


10 posted on 09/23/2014 11:16:54 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: Kaslin
"But how does he know?"

Because he's the Magic Mullah.

11 posted on 09/23/2014 11:20:11 AM PDT by clintonh8r (It's possible to love your country and hate your government. I'm proof of it.)
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To: Kaslin
re: The problem is that Muslim theological tradition, affirmed by many scholars, holds that later revelation to Muhammad supersedes prior revelation (a doctrine known as “abrogation”). And the Quranic verses ordering Muslims to fight and slay non-believers came after those admonishing Muslims to live with non-believers in peace and without religious compulsion.

It is my understanding that the “nice Muslim” verses that talk about peace were written when Mohammad was still trying to get the Christians and Jews in his time to accept him as a prophet who superseded Jesus & Moses. When that plan didn't work as he desired, he changed his tune to “death and destruction for the infidels” who didn't accept his claims. Since the surahs (chapters) are not written in chronological order but rather in order of size from largest to smallest, this fact is not always obvious.

12 posted on 09/23/2014 11:26:14 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: Kaslin
Very well done!

"There are hundreds of millions of non-Islamist Muslims (an Islamist is a Muslim who seeks to impose Shariah on others)

I've never heard the term non-Islamist Muslim before--is it commonly used or understood this way among the Muslim population?

13 posted on 09/23/2014 11:26:54 AM PDT by lonevoice (Life is short. Make fun of it.)
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To: Kaslin
“Not Islamic” is brought to you by the same people who brought you a “right wing” Nazi.

In other words, a non-Socialist “National Socialist German Workers’ Party” member.

Right wing = small government
Nazis and other Socialists = Large government.

It's amazing how Leftists try to talk the masses out of believing what is obvious

14 posted on 09/23/2014 11:27:43 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: CivilWarBrewing
I agree.
But for the record, here's some addition information from a panel on "Benghazi: The Difference It Makes Is Accountability!"
I know this is long, but there's a lot of "to-the-point" and "hard-hitting" truth here.

Read this thread.
15 posted on 09/23/2014 11:29:22 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Kaslin
ISIL? Not Islamic"...how mentally ill is this man?


16 posted on 09/23/2014 11:30:01 AM PDT by yoe
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To: Yosemitest

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17 posted on 09/23/2014 11:36:52 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

-— The Islam of Pres. Bush’s time had yet to show its true face to the world. -—

I can’t make sense of this statement on any level.


18 posted on 09/23/2014 11:41:40 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

I bet Bush knew that is Islam means “Submission” not “Peace.”
IMHO, he was just trying to make sure we didn’t have fight all of them at once.


19 posted on 09/23/2014 11:41:56 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: yoe

20 posted on 09/23/2014 11:50:42 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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