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DOMINIC SANDBROOK fears Europe is returning to the crude nationalism that caused such misery
The Daily Mail ^ | 20 September 2014 | Dominic Sandbrook

Posted on 09/20/2014 3:04:41 AM PDT by Fenhalls555

To wake yesterday morning, not yet knowing whether Great Britain was alive or dead, was a strange and sad sensation.

Like most English observers, I greeted the news with unbridled delight. A victory for Britain, albeit by nine percentage points, means we ought to raise a toast this weekend to the good sense of the Scottish people.

Yet when I reflected on the result, my delight slowly turned to disquiet.

For the truth is that the campaign has been a terrible warning about the future of the United Kingdom, the curse of nationalism and the dreadful dangers of a new politics based on crude populist appeals to the powerless and the alienated.

Only a few years ago, many historians believed that we were living in a post-nationalist age, in which appeals to blood and soil had lost their old power to move and frighten.

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1 posted on 09/20/2014 3:04:41 AM PDT by Fenhalls555
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I’ll take nationalism all day over tribalism, it’s only real competitor. There is no such thing as this “post-nationalist” hogwash.


2 posted on 09/20/2014 3:07:09 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: Fenhalls555

Scotland is probably not infested with Muslims yet. I can certainly see why the Scots do not wish to be drawn into Sharia, and prefer to separate from the source.


3 posted on 09/20/2014 3:15:18 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: shalom aleichem

“Scotland is probably not infested with Muslims yet. I can certainly see why the Scots do not wish to be drawn into Sharia, and prefer to separate from the source.”

Not true
Lots of camel-humpers have moved there


4 posted on 09/20/2014 3:26:09 AM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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“The vast majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom live in England: 2,660,116 (5.02% of the population). 76,737 Muslims live in Scotland (1.45%), 45,950 in Wales (1.50%), and 3,832 in Northern Ireland (0.21%)”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdom


5 posted on 09/20/2014 3:28:58 AM PDT by Fenhalls555
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To: shalom aleichem

“Scotland is probably not infested with Muslims yet. I can certainly see why the Scots do not wish to be drawn into Sharia, and prefer to separate from the source.”

Perhaps Muslims and Sharia were components of the Yes movement. But, from what I can gather, it was primarily about wanting “more free stuff”. The same motivaters that drives the “gimme” crowd here in the US. Fortunately, the Scots had enough clear thinkers to save themselves from themselves......


6 posted on 09/20/2014 3:29:00 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Fenhalls555

Gee Dom. We can’t all be enlightened faculty lounge lizards.


7 posted on 09/20/2014 3:29:29 AM PDT by AdaGray
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To: Fenhalls555

Their is nothing wrong with local government. The move of the UK to federalism is not a bad thing. NATO and the EU make a federalist Europe possible, but then the socialists pushed to centralize all power and people are pushing back.


8 posted on 09/20/2014 3:31:56 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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Nationalism is always present. It may remain dormant for a while. When it’s awakened, it’s usually for real reasons - political, economic, and/or cultural.


9 posted on 09/20/2014 3:38:39 AM PDT by odds
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Globalism is great....for the globalists. The more removed government is from people, the less scrutiny of its dealings and independence there will be.

Look what's happening to Europe. It's being over-run by people who hate them, impoverished, in debt slavery to the banks, and cultures are crumbling. Mideastern countries which suffered our regime change disasters are in tatters. In the US, power is moving upward as we lose our freedoms, culture and middle class.

War and disease will bring civilization to a halt if we don't go back to governable entities, which are defined nations that protect themselves, their citizens, and their culture and way of life.

10 posted on 09/20/2014 3:41:29 AM PDT by grania
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He sees nationalism as the main problem instead of a failure of big government. People want self determination rather than control from a faceless bureaucracy. In the US the problem is lack of nationalism as people ignore their country being overrun by a foreigners with no respect for our laws or culture. This is not only accepted but encouraged by our political leaders who are sworn to uphold the law and defend the Constitution. Both the US and UK were strongest when they were most nationalistic. Multiculturalism is the problem, not Nationalism.


11 posted on 09/20/2014 4:27:11 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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They better HURRY UP and figure out why nationalism is preferable to the Sharia that is being imposed on them.

They have no more than ONE Generation to get it right, before they will be in civil wars that they cannot win.


12 posted on 09/20/2014 4:47:23 AM PDT by BobL (Don't forget - Today's Russians learn math WITHOUT calculators.)
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To: Fenhalls555

Previous generations, who took our constitutional traditions rather more seriously, would have been horrified to see them ripped up so casually.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2763047/From-Glasgow-Barcelona-historian-DOMINIC-SANDBROOK-fears-Europe-returning-crude-nationalism-caused-misery.html#ixzz3DrSyvWVF
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Yep. People in power everywhere seem to think that the Law BELONGS to them personally and that they can do as they please.


13 posted on 09/20/2014 6:15:24 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not all nationalism is bad. The liberal/socialist/globalists always put up this false dichotomy:
1. Evil Nazi Germany = nationalism
2. Global socialist rule = utopia

Somehow, I fail to see how global socialism would be preferable to national socialism (Nazism).


14 posted on 09/20/2014 6:42:38 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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15 posted on 09/20/2014 6:45:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Fenhalls555
Like most English observers, I greeted the news with unbridled delight.

An attitude I will never understand. Stupid English!

Is anyone condemning "Third World" or non-white nationalism?

16 posted on 09/21/2014 8:40:59 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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