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Can solar energy work in snowy Syracuse? Yes, with lots of taxpayer help
Post Standard, Syracuse NY ^ | 9.10.14 | Glenn Coin

Posted on 09/10/2014 4:31:10 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

"The bottom line is solar works here," said Pete Wirth, whose 18 solar panels supply all of his Fayetteville home's electrical power. "It would probably work better if you had no cloudy days, but solar works perfectly fine in Central New York."

The only way solar works here, or just about anywhere, is with heavy government subsidies. Wirth's system cost $24,000 when it was installed two years ago, but after tax credits and rebates, he paid about $6,200.

That means taxpayers pick up about 75 percent of the cost of solar systems.

(Excerpt) Read more at syracuse.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: energy; solar; subsidy
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If something only works with taxpayer subsidies, it really can't be said to work at all.
1 posted on 09/10/2014 4:31:10 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Hieronymus; VampireStateNY; governsleastgovernsbest; gaspar; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; Atticus; ...

Upstate bump


2 posted on 09/10/2014 4:32:22 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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"It would probably work better if you had no cloudy days, but solar works perfectly fine in Central New York."

If it could probably work better,then it is obviously less than perfect.

3 posted on 09/10/2014 4:33:59 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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Yeah, but the owner in this article seems pretty proud of his new solar power system (at the expense of his neighbors). Isn’t that special...


4 posted on 09/10/2014 4:35:15 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Just how well will it work with a foot of snow piled on top of the solar cell?
Solar power is neither efficient nor cost effective.
It’s something to be embraced by liberals, socialists, progressives and communists to satisfy their need to feel good about themselves while making other people pay for it.


5 posted on 09/10/2014 4:50:32 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Bomb ISIS; bomb them again; bomb them again; kill all survivors; take no prisoners.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

If there was only some way you could convert Lake Effect snow into energy you’d be fine. Don’t miss that since I moved away from there.


6 posted on 09/10/2014 4:54:01 AM PDT by McGruff
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“If there was only some way you could convert Lake Effect snow into energy you’d be fine. Don’t miss that since I moved away from there.”

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

There is. It’s called hydro. And trees.


7 posted on 09/10/2014 4:58:14 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Eccl 10:2
The "greens" absolutely hate the only green energy that actually compares to fossil fuels and Nuclear in cost and reliability. (Hydro)

Energy Subsidies vs. Energy Sense: What Have We Learned in the Past 3 Years? (from 2011)
8 posted on 09/10/2014 5:23:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Many years ago, when I was foolish enough to be on Facebook, a lib was bemoaning the evils of big business guys who wouldn’t put solar panels on cars, forcing us to buy their evil oil. After a few seconds of my trying to point out some basic facts, he spewed some of the vilest bilge at me, personally, that I have ever been subjected to. I realized fb wasn’t for me, and also that you can’t reason with the insane, who aren’t looking for answers but rather validation for their whacky thoughts.
Had another fb spat with a lib, successful and highly paid, about poor tenants who punch holes in the tin roofs of their homes and glue in plastic liter bottles filled with water and chlorine. This lets in daylight for free. While the lib thought this was green and awesome, I ruined the thread by pointing out that plastic is photo-reactive and crumbles away in sunshine, at a high speed in the tropics, and then incoming rainwater rots the structure and suggested the tenants use glass bottles instead. For my sins, I was lambasted and removed from the thread. These people are humorless and closed minded.


9 posted on 09/10/2014 5:23:34 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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I see wires running to his house. I suspect he is also “selling” his “excess” power back to the utility.

So, in other words, his neighbors paid for his system, and then they pay again in higher utility rates so he can be compensated for power the utility is forced to purchase at a high rate, but can’t distribute.

Yeah, that “works”.

Show me a solar system that is cost effective, unsubsidized and completely off grid in central NY and I’ll be impressed.


10 posted on 09/10/2014 5:28:19 AM PDT by chrisser (When do we get to tell the Middle East to stop clinging to their guns and religion?)
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More ridiculous pseudo-intellectual green energy pipe dreams at work. You can be sure these green donkeys would never depend on green energy to run their internet...

...unless of course it was subsidized by the other guy.


11 posted on 09/10/2014 5:31:19 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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Their definition of “works” is way way off.


12 posted on 09/10/2014 5:57:26 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: ArtDodger

Mostly, you can’t have an intelligent conversation with someone that is insane. It’s like mud wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty, but the pig thinks its fun.


13 posted on 09/10/2014 5:58:40 AM PDT by Pecos (That government governs best which governs least..)
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Good grief, are they still calling it Lake Effect snow? What other kind IS there in central NYS anyway??? I moved from there about 35 years ago. “It’s just Lake Effect Snow, it’s not, like, real snow or anything - just 3 feet of it, nothing to worry about, folks!”


14 posted on 09/10/2014 5:58:58 AM PDT by MaggiesPitchfork
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I moved from Central NY to Connecticut about 15 years ago. If we get 6 inches it’s a disaster. I say to myself you don’t know what snow is.


15 posted on 09/10/2014 6:05:34 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: Eccl 10:2

Yes, and Quebec has more hydro power that is can use. However, the folks in northern NH do not a power line going through their county because it will ruin their VIEW.

As far as the trees go, many people like me continue to add alternative heating systems. I am installing a pellet insert. With the difference in wood pellets verses heating oil, I figure it will pay itself off in three years.


16 posted on 09/10/2014 6:06:40 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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I grew up in Orchard Park, NY in the suburbs south of Buffalo. Six inches of snow was just a normal winter day. You went out and plowed or snow blowed and everyone went to school or work. Here in southern NH, if we get 4” of snow they cancel school. I guess it is all about legal liability.


17 posted on 09/10/2014 6:10:42 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Uh huh


18 posted on 09/10/2014 6:11:18 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

If the Fed can keep the paper flowing into the furnace, Syracuse can be a tropical paradise for 365 days a year until global warming takes over.


19 posted on 09/10/2014 6:14:40 AM PDT by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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How did that solar power project work for the Ithaca Public Library?


20 posted on 09/10/2014 6:24:36 AM PDT by CPOSharky (I was born with nothing, and I still have most of it.)
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