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Flight of the Flanker: Ultimate jet fighter turns 30
Russia & India Report ^ | August 24, 2014 | Rakesh Krishnan Simha

Posted on 08/23/2014 7:47:26 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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To: Pox

If aircraft are supposed to stand still vertically while fighting, then the SU-27 wins hands down.


21 posted on 08/23/2014 8:59:42 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Rodamala

Clubbing baby seals referred to the F-35. The F-35 was never intended to be an air superiority fighter, thus such a description was apt.

The F-22 will chew up an SU-27 with no problem, and the F-15 current generation will match it stride for stride.


22 posted on 08/23/2014 9:02:04 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: fella

We should all expect that much from... Ukies.


23 posted on 08/23/2014 9:05:28 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: GeronL
The SU-27 would be a somewhat equal match for the current versions of the F-15, but again the training and capabilities of the pilots involved (not taking into account the input from Command and Control) would be the determining factors.

But again, I'm still pointing out relevance to 20th Century tech and capabilities, not current.

24 posted on 08/23/2014 9:05:39 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pox

I wonder if they ever thought about putting one of those movable thrust nozzles on an F-15?


25 posted on 08/23/2014 9:08:20 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Rodamala

A 4 year old video from a russian source, liberals damning the acft., and I’ll bet they weren’t “simulating” the actual capabilities of the F35.

Btw, what part of STRIKE don’t people get? It’s like the F117 all over again. It was only designated a fighter based on it’s size and the SALT treaty that was in effect at the time.

Yet critics damned the aircraft without even having the first clue what it really was...a STRIKE aircraft.


26 posted on 08/23/2014 9:09:25 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Pox

I believe “clubbing baby seals” it was attributed to the whole team... Granted, JSF is the turkey... but they cancelled the F-22 for the JSF... and apparently won’t consider anything less than 5th Gen stealth fighters... when a couple tried and true F-15Es... or maybe the Silent Eagles would suffice... for a lot less money.

OR...

We can elect leaders that won’t thrust us into wars with China and Russia?


27 posted on 08/23/2014 9:11:14 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: doorgunner69; GeronL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34

The Su-34’s most distinctive feature is the unusually large flight deck. Much of the design work went into crew comfort. The two crew members sit side by side in a large cabin, with the pilot-commander to the left and navigator/operator of weapons to the right in NPP Zvezda K-36dm ejection seats. An advantage of the side by side cockpit is that duplicate instruments are not required for each pilot. Since long missions require comfort, the pressurization system allows operation up to 10,000 metres (32,800 ft) without oxygen masks, which are available for emergencies and combat situations.[36] The crew members have room to stand and move about the cabin during long missions.[37][38] The space between the seats allows them to lie down in the corridor, if necessary.[36] A toilet and a galley are located behind the crew seats.[36][37]


28 posted on 08/23/2014 9:16:05 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: GeronL

I don’t think they bothered to include “thrust vectoring” tech on the F-15 since it was being incorporated into the F-22, but I could be mistaken.


29 posted on 08/23/2014 9:17:40 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Rodamala
No, they did not cancel the F-22 in favor of the F-35. The F-22 was canceled in the traditional liberal/communist/marxist fashion of diluting the capabilities of the armed forces of this country. Perhaps my explanation sounds absurd, but prove that I am wrong (you will not be able to accomplish this challenge).

FYI, they have now incorporated some stealth tech into the latest F-15 variant (F-15E Silent Eagle).

30 posted on 08/23/2014 9:23:40 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pox

Man, alive... I started out in the thread talking about the Silent Eagle... I wish Boeing could have sold it.


31 posted on 08/23/2014 9:28:22 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

It will have customers, but that particular derivative will probably see few buyers.


32 posted on 08/23/2014 9:30:24 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Rodamala

We need ships that can project power as well and instead they are ruining the Navy with these Littoral combat ship floating turds. They would be better off and cheaper modernizing the Iowa class to project power, or the Virginia class cruisers which performed admirably at ASW warfare. You can’t design a military machine that can do everything well (F35, LCS, Stryker etc). This has been a failure every time it’s been attempted. Don’t get me started on the retiring of the A-10, and F-14.


33 posted on 08/23/2014 9:31:20 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: Chode

a toilet AND galley??

What no stewardess?


34 posted on 08/23/2014 9:39:14 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL
i don't think the Russians have female pilots yet so no hot bunking...
35 posted on 08/23/2014 9:41:48 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Pox
FYI, they have now incorporated some stealth tech into the latest F-15 variant (F-15E Silent Eagle).

Fascinating, so how many squadrons do we have now?

Come on, speak up, you were talking about all those upgrades, so how many new "Silent Eagles" have been added to the Air Force?

36 posted on 08/23/2014 9:49:18 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: fella

I found this one to be more relevant to the thread.

AND MUCH MORE FUN

SU-27 and F-15 Dogfight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naIWWNxF1DQ


37 posted on 08/23/2014 10:11:11 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Pox

Watch that very thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naIWWNxF1DQ


38 posted on 08/23/2014 10:13:40 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: miliantnutcase
I have not seen this posted on FR but it is on topic with your point... deserves its own thread if one was not started... 4 years ago, hahahah!

l just don't like posting new threads on VERY old news especially when it most likely has been covered already... because Freepers don't miss much! I actually thought of this because a coworker sent this to me a few days ago and I thought it was current news... but it is from 2010.

Crank Bearing Failures Plague Navy's Newest Ships

39 posted on 08/23/2014 10:17:51 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: doorgunner69
Where exactly did I claim such a thing (that we have upgraded our F-15 fleet (those currently in service with the Air Force of the U.S.) to the F15E Silent Eagle variant which is a recent upgrade)?

What was the purpose and intent of your post taking into account the vein in this specific thread?

40 posted on 08/23/2014 10:20:50 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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