Skip to comments.Ukraine forces destroy most of a column of Russian military vehicles, president says
Posted on 08/16/2014 4:52:59 AM PDT by elhombrelibre
KIEV, Ukraine Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Friday that Ukrainian forces had attacked and destroyed part of a column of Russian military vehicles on Ukrainian territory, a step that, if confirmed, would represent a significant escalation of hostilities between Ukraine and Russia.
Poroshenko told British Prime Minister David Cameron that the majority of a column of Russian military vehicles had been destroyed by the Ukrainian artillery at night, his office said in a statement. The announcement came as NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Friday that the defense alliance had seen an incursion into Ukraine the previous night.
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LOL! It’s more complicated than Putin. There are only a huge population of Ukrainians that want Russia instead of Ukraine / EU.
The Kremlin denied Friday that there had been a border incursion, and a Russian defense ministry spokesman said that no Russian vehicles had been destroyed because none had been inside Ukraine. Poroshenko offered no proof to support his claim.
Yeah, and I know you’re going to believe the former KGB Colonel Putin.
Oh really? How come there are few of them fighting then with the Putin agents sent to take the area from the Ukrainians? Putin’s pulling this stuff all over the former Soviet Empire so he can rebuild a new one. Don’t kid yourself by falling for the Sudetenland German argument.
I found it odd that two journalists that witnessed Russian armor entering Ukraine were described as respected. Another oddity is that the humanitarian aid vehicles are mostly empty.
I think Putin has misjudged Ukraine’s resolve and the support of ethnic Russians within Ukraine that his mercenaries thought they could count on.
It’s a lot more complicated than that, and that’s my point.
You think Putin instigated all of this? Not Kiev? European Union? Give me a break.
You think all the other nations surrounding Russia are also instigating problems with Putin? Come on. Who said the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest disaster of the 20th Century? Putin. He wants to rebuild that empire. Look how he threatens Moldavia. Look at the Republic of Georgia. How come so many FSB men in Ukraine are resigning. Putin is the problem.
Maybe only solution is to divide it in half.
Yup, someone’s lying alright.
NATO Chief confirms Russian incursion.
There are people who would interpret a column of military vehicles entering a sovereign country's territory against the will of the legitimate government to be an act of war. There are people who would interpret destroying that column of vehicles as an act of war. There are people who would conclude that when hostile countries engage in successive acts of war against each other, a de facto state of war exists between the two. Or they could just understate the situation and describe it as a significant escalation.
Right again it’s not that simple...
Any effort to break eastern Ukraine from Ukraine proper would meet resistance not only from the western half of the country, but from wide swaths of Ukrainians living within those regions (This is a good time to note that past polls have indicated that a majority of Russian-speakers living in the country have also expressed loyalty to Ukraine and not Russia. Also, some people who identify themselves as Ukrainian-speaking may speak Russian in their day-to-day lives).
“There are significant numbers of ethnic Ukrainians who continue to speak Ukrainian in the east and in the south,” says Ukraine scholar Alexander Motyl in a recent interview with RFE/RL. “There are significant numbers of passionate Ukrainians, let’s call them patriots, who speak Russian and who prefer Russian culture, and who nevertheless are committed to Ukrainian statehood and Ukrainian nationhood.”
And no matter what ITS NONE OF RUSSIAS BUSINESS.
Quote of the Morning: 8/16/14
Former President of Georgia,Mikheil Saakashvili, when asked about Vladimir Putin, said, “He likes to be feared. For example: the last time I met with him, he said, ‘Your western friends promise you nice things, but seldom deliver. I promise you bad things, and I deliver.’”
Reports are that they were nailed by OTR-21 Tochka (SS-21 Scarab) systems:
They shoot surface to surface many dozens of miles away with a half ton warhead with a CEP of a couple hundred feet. A very good system for taking out an armored column outside of a populated area... if you know exactly where it is going to be. But given that Ukraine’s intel capability is limited (not to be downplayed, but still limited), I wonder if we’re seeing the results of real-time data sharing with major western powers?
Ukes nuke Ruskie pukes, again! LOL!
There are only a huge population of Ukrainians that want Russia instead of Ukraine / EU.
Not really. If Putin thought he could win elections in Ukraine he wouldn’t be committing mass murder there right now.
Any prisoners to show?
I read in a Christian Science Monitor article that a woman from Sloviansk said exactly 1 person out of the 2000 people in her neighborhood became a “rebel” fighter.
If it happened, the wreckage would be on the front page of the New York Times next to pictures of a smiling Obama and a dejected Putin. Doubt it happened.
I couldn't get the videos at the host site to work - is there any visual proof of the destruction of the Russian vehicles? Not a Putin fan, but also not inclined to jump on statements w/o proof as "proof". Would settle it if any pics/video were available. Else, it just all-round supposition.
It's embarrassing enough when the puppet leader of the regime in Kiev gets played by his own Interior Ministry over such a serious matter.
It gets exponentially more dangerous when village idiots like David Cameron and that NATO poodle Rasmussen join the chorus without corroboration.
The western alliance is spinning out of control.
Because NATO doesn’t have the means to verify. They just took Kievs word.
Welcome to Bizarro FR where Kremlin shills are the respected source and NATO and RFE are puppets.
Yeah, cause countries smaller and weaker than Russia are out there trying to purposefully tick the Russians off to start a war with them. Or something.
Gimme a break. You're either a Putin plant or one of those Ron Paul/Vox Day delusional fools. Either way, you're nonsense is just that - nonsense.
Coming to a county near you, in the US, if we don't do something about our borders. That is, we're rapidly developing border areas that are more Mexican than US-oriented. It starts with Mexican flags at soccer matches and street parades; this is what it develops into when the ability of the melting pot to culturally absorb immigrants (and aliens) is exceeded.
And guess who we are siding with.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko held a meeting with the founder of Open Society Foundations George Soros, at which Soros informed the head of state about the initiative of the strategic plan of reforms for Ukraine.
Bizarro world indeed.
Not sure what happened but I’m leaning towards believing Putin. If in fact Ukraine did demolish a column of Russian vehicles that would be advertised by Putin so he could have a pretext to invade and grab more land in the name of defense of Russia.
Only a willfully ignorant fool would take the puppet regime in Kiev at it word about anything.
If the NATO or the poofters in London have evidence of a Russian military incursion, let them present it and stop pussyfooting around.
Any vehicles to show?
Ah. I really hadn’t noticed that among my relatives.
Thanks for declaring yourself a bigot.
Me, I’ll believe Western sources over the Kremlin any day.
Putin’s bumbling azz got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. the UN involvement and Putin’s “peaceful” words are to settle the situation down.
Gee...you think these two guys might have a reason to spook the financial markets?
The White House says it cannot confirm reports that Ukrainian troops destroyed a Russian military convoy that had allegedly crossed into eastern Ukraine.
Spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said late Friday officials are working to gather information on the situation. She said the U.S. remains concerned about repeated Russian and Russian-supported incursions into Ukraine.
Earlier Friday, Ukraines president said government troops destroyed a column of military vehicles that crossed into eastern Ukraine from Russia as a convoy of Russian trucks purportedly carrying humanitarian aid remained stalled near the border awaiting inspection.
The incident, which NATO confirmed and said involved Russian weaponry, was vehemently denied by Russias Defense Ministry, which told news agencies the report was some kind of fantasy.
Somebody is lying.
“The western alliance is spinning out of control.”
LMAO...they have Russia so frustrated and contained, they are resorting to actions that only make them look like Iraq with a tad bit more of technology.
Every single time I see that retarded hipsters face on tv I realize how finished we are as a people.
As usual your buddy Putin and his sock puppets.
Actually, Putin’s been waging an illegal war against Ukraine for some time. As for the Ukrainians, if reports are correct that they destroyed Russian military entering their country, then I’d call that an act of self defense.
There is no doubt Putin is a bully; he’s proud of that. I think that’s why lowbrows admire him. I mean he’s the type of guy who catamites are attracted to.
Yeah, it’s McCain’s fault that Putin is bulling Russia’s neighbors. You’re really on to something there, smart guy.
Yeah, that’s sounds about right. I think that within any society you can find a certain amount of scum and misfits who will partner up with a punk like Putin for the joy of shooting up others.
That give you chubby?
Maybe you got a nice pic of Putin without his shirt in your free hand...
From yesterday, posted on Yesterday’s thread:
CNN’s Ram Ramgogal
US says it can’t confirm Ukrainian claims of disabling vehicles in a Russian military convoy inside Ukrainehttps://twitter.com/RamCNN/status/500412757259591682
Yeah, I remember when we didn’t have so many clowns and pro-authoritarians around here. I mean the real thing about American conservatives isn’t that we’re pro-despot. We’re for the individual as opposed to the state. Putin’s for a Putinista empire.
But NATO DID confirm an incursion occurred.