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The Fifth Crusade?
American Thinker ^ | 8/14/2014 | Fay Voshell

Posted on 08/14/2014 3:36:53 AM PDT by markomalley

Things are bad when even Pope Francis, known as a holy and peaceable man, is pragmatically calling for the world to act against the atrocities happening in Iraq. Things are very bad indeed when Archbishop Giorgio Lingua, the Vatican's nuncio to Iraq, recently told Vatican Radio concerning military action "This is something that had to be done, otherwise [the Islamic State] could not be stopped."

Meanwhile, Chaldean Patriarch Louis Sako of Baghdad, who is also known as the Patriarch of Babylon, is saying the U.S. military strikes have been of little or no help, adding that "There is a need of international support and a professional, well-equipped army. The situation is going from bad to worse."

Broad hints and actual calls from pontiffs and archbishops promoting military action are very rare. 

In fact, such calls are virtually unprecedented in modern times. But it appears the carnage unleashed by Islamic militants has at long last revived the Christian concept of just warfare. It has taken shocking barbarity to awaken religious leaders from the penchant for pacifism that characterizes nearly all Christian churches, including the Catholic Church. At last some are realizing that rescuing the perishing might mean fighting for the actual physical lives of innocents as well as fighting for the salvation of their souls. The salvation and protection of innocents is once again being seen as just cause for armed conflict.

Inevitably, calls for armed conflict in order to save Christians from extermination will provoke comparisons to the Crusades, which are now vilified by Islamists and the Left, both of whom have revised history by a willful forgetting of the facts. 

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: popefrancis; rop; vatican
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1 posted on 08/14/2014 3:36:53 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

When they call for the destruction of EVERY terrorist sponsoring state, then I will take them seriously.

Stopping ISIS is not going to stop muslim brutality.

Uproot the tree and burn it to ash, so that nothing remains. Forever.


2 posted on 08/14/2014 3:38:42 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: markomalley

Maybe Francis needs to direct this at the people he visited in their mosque, taking off his shoes to show
“respect” to “one of the world’s great religions”

Francis tell them and us again how we all worship the same God, bow your head to Allah, and show that we have to honor this cult

while not one muslim voice nor one muslim army or government is out there on that mountain to stop this


3 posted on 08/14/2014 3:44:46 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: markomalley

What is actually needed is not a “Fifth” Crusade, what is needed is a Final Crusade that will actually TOTALLY destroy Islam using whatever means necessary.


4 posted on 08/14/2014 4:01:25 AM PDT by House Atreides (ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN FOR CHILDERS 2014 .... Don't reward bad GOPe behavior.)
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To: markomalley

If the Church sponsored from Italy - those men with military background and former service in Iraq/Afghanistan - to bring their own personal M-4/AR-15’s under an established rank and file into that country to set up C&C and lunch into Kurdistan as a logistical base of operation - being supported/supplied with communications and air superiority from the US/UK - then I would say - at a minimum, the Pope would have his army of crusaders that could go in and wipe out ISIS.

No one wants an ad hoc force of individuals running amuck over there in a foreign area doing the same...it would have to be organized and supported! The present US administration isn’t doing a thing...Islamic nations allow Islamic fighters to traverse in and out for this - so - let’s use that tactic...


5 posted on 08/14/2014 4:03:15 AM PDT by BCW (ARMIS EXPOSCERE PACEM)
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To: silverleaf

” They are called to fight for the innocent and called to protect their brothers and sisters, not out of a spirit of vengeance, but out of a spirit of love and concern that none should perish; no, not one.

The time for rescue is short.

It is apocalypse now.”

Finally someone speaks the truth.


6 posted on 08/14/2014 4:04:03 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: silverleaf

words are one thing....but actions are another...I don’t like the fact that The Church as been writing positive stories on Islam and trying to bridge a gap...

Islam is no more than blood cult bent on destruction...

I’m sure that’s the same impression the Spanish Conquistadors got when seeing the blood rituals of the Aztecs...of the US GI in WWII when entering an extermination camp...

These things are evil and must be met with force, not diplomacy!


7 posted on 08/14/2014 4:07:10 AM PDT by BCW (ARMIS EXPOSCERE PACEM)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

The toothpaste is well out of the tube, and the world has no idea of what evil and horror is coming this way. The caliphate’s been enabled and facilitated by Europe, 0bummer, leftists etc; it’s underway and the total destruction and elimination of all of islam is the only cure for the disease.


8 posted on 08/14/2014 4:12:17 AM PDT by Carriage Hill ( Some days you're the windshield, and some days you're the bug.)
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To: BCW

LTC Ralph Peters last night on FOX compared this ISIS phenomenon to the Aztec blood lust. An unprecedented cult of cruelty and depravity not seen in modern times - and growing

Though I would say the Mongols, Huns and Japanese armies acted about the same to civilians as they conquered territory (consider rape of Nanching 1938). A total lack of what we would consider normal humanity

And of course, they did not stop when territory was conquered. Look what it took to stop the Japanese

In the context of history obama’s combined strategy of high altitude bombing and denial is pathetic and alarming


9 posted on 08/14/2014 4:16:56 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: House Atreides

There can be no final Crusade until Judgment Day.


10 posted on 08/14/2014 4:21:00 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: silverleaf

I wrote a book in 2008, Babylon’s Covert War, that spelled all this out - and that this very thing would happen. I served over there from 2003-2008...and continued to cover OIF from 2009-2011 from the US...and in my book I used exactly what I wrote on the Aztec blood lust to describe the evil I saw over there when Shia - and Sunni went at each other...

Those of us that took this seriously knew what was coming...

The book is on Amazon...


11 posted on 08/14/2014 4:21:39 AM PDT by BCW (ARMIS EXPOSCERE PACEM)
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To: markomalley

Go ahead. This is not our fight! Let Europe take this one on. If the pope wants to organize and crusade, he can have at it.


12 posted on 08/14/2014 4:30:26 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: BCW
So assuming this islamic blood cult establishes a stronghold in northern and central Iraq, what next? The way they stay alive is recruitment and expansion.
But look at how they are enclosed.
If they cut through the resistance in Kurdish areas, there is Turkey to the north, whose army will surely not cut and run. Iran to the East, shia and hated and again with a massive army but perhaps not one equipped to deal.
Syria to the West, degraded but still capable especially if Assad resorts to WMD
Jordan to the West which will fall like a house of cards triggering an almost certain red line response by the West (including Israel)
Saudi Arabia to the South- cannot even predict. Has lots of western military equipment but has always needed westerners to do its heavy lifting and fighting. How loyal are the sons of the marginalized tribes to sustaining the Royal kingdom?
13 posted on 08/14/2014 4:34:02 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf

Look what it took to stop the Japanese

Up to and including “the bomb”.

...but unmentioned is the cost to our own morality to get the job done and that would be to those doing the fighting.


14 posted on 08/14/2014 4:54:40 AM PDT by wita
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To: silverleaf

As I pointed out in my book, it’s the tribes and religious leaders that make the game over there.

When something like ISIS emerges, everyone starts thinking about their own individual self - never about The Nation. Those nations like Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia will fall as a minority will join ISIS to GET something out of it that it cannot achieve under these present rulers.

These so-called royals over there know this and fear it. This is why they sponsor terrorist groups in OTHER countries, to pay them to stay out. What they didn’t see coming is something like ISIS. These guys want to bring back The Caliphate - and don’t care about oil, money, and some Shia mosque or Christian Church - they want control - as do each leader presently in command of each respective nation you listed.

If the ME was divided up per tribe, it would look totally different, but there would not be peace. In the end, once they have one thing they start looking at what they can get from their neighbors. There is no equality over there - just control.

They are dangerous because of this mindset.

Watch, the longer we allow ISIS to stay in place, the bigger they will get. They are not done killing - nor will they ever be. More dangerous than ebola!


15 posted on 08/14/2014 4:54:49 AM PDT by BCW (ARMIS EXPOSCERE PACEM)
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To: House Atreides

I’m reminded of Gog and Magog.


16 posted on 08/14/2014 4:59:31 AM PDT by wita
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To: silverleaf

sustaining the Royal kingdom?

I read years ago that the only thing keeping the Saudi royal family in power was western support.


17 posted on 08/14/2014 5:04:39 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Your feelings don't trump my free speech!)
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To: markomalley

Unmentioned was the Church’s inquisition that killed off the Moors that wouldn’t convert.


18 posted on 08/14/2014 5:09:02 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: BCW

One need look no further than dare I say it, our own “native American’s” for an example of what tribal life could and would be like were we to return to it. The reference is to how it was when our forefathers arrived in the new world. It ain’t rocket science, the war between right and wrong goes on until “the end”. That war will always need to be fought if we are to preserve even a semblance of morality.


19 posted on 08/14/2014 5:10:21 AM PDT by wita
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To: silverleaf
"LTC Ralph Peters last night on FOX compared this ISIS phenomenon to the Aztec blood lust. An unprecedented cult of cruelty and depravity not seen in modern times..."

I disagree in that Islamic leftism is satan's death cult and ALL islam is "cruel & depraved". There is no moderate islam.

I would suggest ALL islam and its leftist fellow travelers MUCH be destroyed. (h/t rev owl)

20 posted on 08/14/2014 5:20:10 AM PDT by newfreep ("Evil succeeds when good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke)
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