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Aid or invasion? Question looms as Russian convoy nears Ukraine
CNN ^ | August 12, 2014 | Michael Pearson and Lindsay Isaac

Posted on 08/12/2014 1:18:03 PM PDT by 1rudeboy

Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- Somewhere in southern Russia, a convoy of 280 white-painted trucks snaked its way Tuesday toward the Ukrainian border.

Depending on whom you ask, what's inside may either be a treasure trove of relief goods for war-weary civilians, or the vanguard of a Russian invasion of eastern Ukraine.

With thousands of Russian troops still posted near the Ukrainian border and Ukraine's military putting increasing pressure on pro-Russian fighters around the city of Donetsk, many in Ukraine and elsewhere feared the latter.

"Russia keeps inventing new excuses for their policy," Ukraine's Deputy Foreign Minister, Danylo Lubkivsky, told reporters Tuesday in Kiev. "In Georgia, it was defending pro-Russian minorities. In Ukraine's Crimea, preventing NATO invasion."

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Russia has acknowledged sending the convoy. In a conversation Monday with the President of the European Commission, Putin said his country was working with the International Committee of the Red Cross to deliver aid to civilians suffering as a result of savage fighting there.

Except the Red Cross says it doesn't know what Putin is talking about.

ICRC spokesman Andrew Loersch said the agency doesn't have any agreement with Russia on such a convoy.

And ICRC European operations chief Laurent Corbaz said Tuesday in Geneva that the agency hasn't gotten much clarity from Moscow about its purported role in the operation, including how the aid would be handed over and security guarantees for Red Cross workers.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


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1 posted on 08/12/2014 1:18:03 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

with Russian super market shelves going empty ,where are they getting Relief Goods , so it’s WEAPONS


2 posted on 08/12/2014 1:24:47 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: 1rudeboy

If one has to ask if Ivan is invading, then Ivan is not invading.


3 posted on 08/12/2014 1:26:16 PM PDT by soycd
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To: molson209

a very likely scenario


4 posted on 08/12/2014 1:32:35 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: soycd

280 trucks is not an invasion, it is probably a resupply of the Russian fighters.


5 posted on 08/12/2014 1:34:16 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: soycd

So did they invade Crimea or was that well-armed army that suddenly popped up merely local guys who went to their local soldier of fortune military store and bought uniforms as Putin claimed? I believe Putin continues to use plausible denial and deliberate ambiguity as a standard operating procedure.


6 posted on 08/12/2014 1:42:52 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Border guards: “Excuse me comrade General, I must search the truck”. Bang!


7 posted on 08/12/2014 1:51:55 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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So did they invade Crimea or was that well-armed army that suddenly popped up merely local guys who went to their local soldier of fortune military store and bought uniforms as Putin claimed? I believe Putin continues to use plausible denial and deliberate ambiguity as a standard operating procedure.


Actually Putin admitted they were Russian regular soldiers in the Crimea invasion a while back. Apparently the Russian military was butt hurt they weren’t getting “credit” for that great victory and morale was low. So Putin tossed them a doggie bone after lying about it for months.


8 posted on 08/12/2014 7:25:15 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: 1rudeboy

Has anyone been able to identify the flag on those trucks?

I can’t get a decent view of the crest on the flag...certainly does not look like the Int’l Red Cross logo and neither isn’t in the colors of the Russian Federation or Ukraine...


9 posted on 08/13/2014 9:19:37 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: 1rudeboy
For what it's worth, I identified the flag on the convoy trucks (hadn't seen it posted elsewhere):

I found a better pic of the convoy flag here; blow it up and you get a great shot of it. It's the crest off the Russian Coat of Arms. Narrowing it down further, that crest is the Moscow Coat of Arms, elaborated here.

The coat of arms of Moscow is a rectangular crimson heraldic shield with rounded lower corners and a pointed bottom. It depicts St George the Victorious, turned to the right, in silver armour and an azure cloak. St George is slaying a black dragon with a golden lance from atop a silver horse with silver harness.

History of Moscow’s coat of arms

Moscow’s current coat of arms was restored by decree of the Moscow Mayor in 1993 and fashioned after the first official coat of arms of Moscow, adopted in 1781. The coat of arms was subsequently reapproved by the Government of Moscow in 1995 and 2003.

The coat of arms is based on an episode from St George’s hagiography, called St George and the Dragon. It was a popular legend in ancient Rus, and has been depicted many times on stamps and coins, and in the heraldry of princes and tsars. This episode is first mentioned in a document dating back to the 4th or 5th century AD.

According to legend, St George came from a noble family in Cappadocia in modern-day Turkey. George was a prominent military commander under Roman Emperor Diocletian. But when the emperor began persecuting Christians, George offered them protection and declared himself a Christian, for which he was imprisoned and tortured. Despite the suffering he endured, George worked many miracles — healing the sick, raising the dead and converting pagans to Christianity.

St George’s miracles are recounted in many tales and legends, the most popular of which is the legend of St George and the Dragon, the basis for Moscow’s coat of arms.

There was a village in Cappadocia whose pagan ruler persecuted Christians. To steer the ruler towards the path of righteousness, God sent a dragon to terrorise the village. The dragon lived in the lake and preyed on villagers. To appease the beast, the ruler advised the villagers to make a daily sacrifice of their children. When the ruler’s turn came to sacrifice his daughter, St George appeared at the lake through divine intervention. When the venomous dragon emerged from the lake, St George crossed himself, called upon God with the words, «In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,» and charged the dragon on his horse. St George speared the dragon in the neck and pinned him to the ground. The ruler’s daughter tied the dragon up with her belt and led him to the village. St George beheaded the dragon in the village square. The ruler and villagers, awed by what they had witnessed, accepted Jesus Christ as their saviour and converted to Christianity.

This image of a horseman slaying a dragon became especially popular in ancient Rus in the 14th and 15th century. It came to symbolise defenders of the Russian people and the struggle against foreign invaders. St George was the patron saint of Prince Yury Dolgoruky, founder of Moscow. Under Dmitry Donskoy, St George was declared the patron saint of all Moscow.


10 posted on 08/13/2014 8:14:35 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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