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WTO Upholds ‘Rare Earth’ Ruling Against China
Associated Press ^ | Aug. 8, 2014 12:50 AM EDT

Posted on 08/12/2014 7:33:16 AM PDT by Olog-hai

The World Trade Organization has upheld a ruling that China violated trade rules with restrictions on the export of “rare earths,” the minerals used in mobile phones, hybrid cars and other high-tech products. […]

China has about one-third of global deposits of rare earths but accounts for more than 90 percent of production. In 2009, it alarmed foreign companies by limiting rare earth exports in an attempt to boost its domestic manufacturing base. …

(Excerpt) Read more at bigstory.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: cellphones; china; hybridcars; rareearths; redchina; wto
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1 posted on 08/12/2014 7:33:17 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

So, instead of the shortage stimulating rare earth production around the globe, (in defiance of the greenies?), the WTO decides it has dominion over China’s resources?


2 posted on 08/12/2014 7:36:49 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

About the same as recognizing the CPC’s dominion. But ultimately, those belong the the people of China, and not in the sense of the Manifesto where everything belongs to the state.

The WTO is toothless. What are they going to do, either way?

And yes, it’s the green-wackos that have stymied rare earth production elsewhere.


3 posted on 08/12/2014 7:38:44 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Smokin' Joe
Other countries can't stimulate rare earth production if they don't have those mineral deposits in their ground.

The real answer is to come up with component designs that do not use rare earths.

4 posted on 08/12/2014 7:39:36 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“the WTO decides it has dominion over China’s resources?”

Its not just China.


5 posted on 08/12/2014 7:40:11 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Oberon

The article pointed out that two thirds of the planet’s rare earth deposits are not in Red China.


6 posted on 08/12/2014 7:40:53 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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7 posted on 08/12/2014 7:41:08 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Oberon
Rare earths aren't that rare, they are just normally well disseminated.

In places where there are sufficient concentrations, though, economics is the deciding factor in development. With the Chinese restricting exports, (did we really want to depend on China to be able to make microchips?), the economic picture is more favorable to developing deposits in places like Alaska and Wyoming.

8 posted on 08/12/2014 7:42:53 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Olog-hai

The twist here is not that the 17 rare earths are rare, but that refining them is extremely hard and extremely polluting.

The hard part is that chemically, many of them are very similar, so separating them is a major pain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_earth_element#List

“The Chinese have also used sulfuric acid refining techniques that generate 9,600 to 12,000 cubic meters of gas “laden” with flue dust concentrate, hydrofluoric acid, sulfur dioxide, and sulfuric acid to produce one ton of rare earth elements. Chinese refining processes also produce large amounts of liquid and solid waste; they estimate that after refining one ton of rare earth elements, approximately 75 cubic meters of acidic waste water and about one ton of radioactive waste residue are produced.

“China produced over 130,000 metric tons of rare earth elements in 2008. Combining this figure with the figure for waste generation estimates that production yields very large amounts of waste - 1.2 billion to 1.6 billion cubic meters of waste gases per year, and 9.8 million cubic meters of acidic waste water.”


9 posted on 08/12/2014 7:55:49 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Plenty of viable RAE deposits in North America, and a lot of them are byproducts of other ore mining operations (gold, silver, copper, lead, zinc, etc.), it's just that the EPA shut most of them down through ridiculous regulations (just like shutting down coal and lead production, for example). Most people don't realize that the EPA could pull double-duty as the Chamber of Commerce for China, seeing as how virtually all of the EPA’s regulations and rulings drive industry offshore, and oddly enough end up in China.
Something to think about while playing “pin the tail on the crony”.
10 posted on 08/12/2014 7:56:17 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
refining them is ... extremely polluting

For that very reason, I say let China do it.

11 posted on 08/12/2014 7:58:22 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Olog-hai
We have those rare earth assets also...but the EPA says "too bad".

This is why we shouldn't be gung ho for those things that require "rare" assets.

12 posted on 08/12/2014 7:58:45 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
The twist here is not that the 17 rare earths are rare, but that refining them is extremely hard and extremely polluting

So if China announces they are going to limit production because of the environment, then that would be okay with the same bureaucrats??

13 posted on 08/12/2014 7:59:49 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Olog-hai

I just wanna celebrate.


14 posted on 08/12/2014 8:02:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Smokin' Joe

In re previous post, I only read the start. They want you to register and want credit card info. DON’T. Better to find the book on a bookseller site and buy it if you want.


16 posted on 08/12/2014 8:12:38 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Olog-hai

THIS is why the IRS is recycling their hard drives.

To recycle the rare earth elements in the motor units of the hard drives. To fight the Chinese rare earth monopoly. And to save the planet.

So there. What’s more important, some pesky republican-led House committee...or the planet and sharing resources?


17 posted on 08/12/2014 8:14:28 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Olog-hai
“rare earths,” the minerals used in....

The rare earths are elements, not minerals. Remember this phrase the next time the AP lectures us on conservatives' lack of scientific acumen.

18 posted on 08/12/2014 8:16:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Cincinatus

Yes, but rare earths do occur naturally in mineral (ore) form. The AP does need to get their semantics in order notwithstanding.


19 posted on 08/12/2014 8:25:23 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

After the Japanese Tsunami is when the Chinese locked their supplies. I lost a big part of my business and cancelled the product when the price of tungsten shot up over 10 times over night. Of course. I would get it cheaper if I had my products made in a Chinese factory. Didn’t happen.

The Chinese don’t care what the WTO says. And they own 95% of the world’s supply. The greenies are the Chinese’s best friend.


20 posted on 08/12/2014 8:37:51 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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