Posted on 08/10/2014 3:22:06 PM PDT by Morgana
I’m usually the first to complain about cop shootings, SWAT violence, militarized police forces, and cops with gangland mentalities, not to mention stupid cops and cops with no life experience other than military and police force, or high school and police force. You are right to be concerned. America has become a police state where cops tend to get away with unjustified shootings, destruction of private property and outright theft. Don’t even get me started with dog shootings.
This cop may well be a murderer in need of being shot. A lot of them are.
You bet, but if they see two hands, poppin a cap is lil excessive.
Does that include the USA?
Does that include the USA?
Interesting - there’s not a word in the article of the police side of the story.
I would like to know more, however in almost every cop/citizen vs. black youth shooting the community will claim that the youth did nothing wrong. Even if evidence shows the office/citizen was justified in the use of deadly force they will never accept it.
Apparently that's not only limited to "the community" judging by these threads.
While violent crime is at an all-time low. Even the number of cops killed in the line of duty is the lowest it has ever been.
“It’s the multiple shots that concerns me. More gun control at the target range is needed.”
That’s not a valid conclusion.
Every department I am familiar with trains on some variation of the controlled pair or double-tap, by definition “multiple shots”.
There are many reasons for this training standard. One reason being that pistols are by definition anemic and inadequate fight-stoppers compared to rifles or shotguns. Another reason being that in a real-world self-defense situation it’s very difficult or impossible to tell if you actually *hit* the person trying to kill you — as there are no Hollywood volcanoes of dust, sparks or blood to indicate such things, usually at most just a slight tug at a piece of clothing barely visible for a split-second. Training for a pair of controlled, aimed shots center mass drastically increases the probability of an actual hit.
Beyond those reasons, a gun isn’t a magic wand. You don’t wave it at someone and watch him drop like a puppet with its strings cut. Blood loss and air embolism can take minutes to incapacitate someone. That’s a long time when said someone is trying to kill you, so you train people to shoot until the threat stops — training a person to shoot controlled, aimed pairs of shots while doing so encourages a person to place effective fire on target, as well as encourages that person to frequently re-assess the threat and CEASE firing when the threat stops.
So, a real-world shooting looks absolutely nothing like a day of punching paper at the range. It’s a dynamic, chaotic, MOVING, rapidly changing situation made up of split-second life-altering decisions — often in poor light. There are no easy hi-visibility neon-orange targets, you often don’t even know if you hit what you shot at. Even when you do hit the person trying to kill you a very large part of the time they are going to keep fighting or bouncing around like crazy until they manage to leak out a LARGE volume of their blood — that takes a long time, a long time that seems like the rest of your life when someone is trying to kill you.
So, no. Your belief that the officer was deficient in marksmanship or training because he fired multiple shots is not valid. That opinion is likely motivated more by YOUR lack of adequate self-defense training and firearms experience. Range time is not self-defense training, and self-defense looks NOTHING like a shooting range.
A 21 year old male human is charging full speed at you screaming that he's going to kill you.
He has no weapons in his hands.
You are armed with a pistol.
What are you going to do?
Well?????
WHAT DO YOU DO??????
Your life depends on making the right decision!
“in almost every cop/citizen vs. black youth shooting the community will claim that the youth did nothing wrong. Even if evidence shows the office/citizen was justified in the use of deadly force they will never accept it.”
You’re absolutely right. The high crime in black areas can be directly attributed to this phenomenon; cops are completely disengaged there (to save their jobs, pensions, and freedom). I was happy to see Newark NJ lay off 160 cops a few years ago due to budget cuts; if the people can’t pay for police protection, they can police themselves. They hated the cops anyway...
Any word yet from the police on what their side of the story is, or are they still trying to come up with something remotely plausible?
This article is from CBS news, one of the most biased and manipulative news organizations out there. This other article has more info and includes a photo of the poor innocent victim flashing a gang sign. The caption under the photo states it was provided by the Brown family.
“In don’t accept your definition of a clean shoot. For instance, if I awake at night to find someone has broken into my home, that person will be dead weather or not he or she is armed.”
Your home is not the street. The two situations are not nearly the same. And the witnesses are all saying hands up, no gun.
As for investigations? Tell me you don’t actually trust cops to diligently investigate their own? They have every incentive to bring back the traditional “We followed procedures,” report. And not one incentive to conduct a real, hard hitting and critical investigation.
Nice racist comment. You sure your name shouldn’t be neo-nazi?
If your remark is how the people reacted, well I don’t blame them. Time and again, we see shootings that anyone else would do time for, and cops never do. Look at the incident where a kid was holding a wii, in his own home. killed by a cop, who walked from her mistake.
More and more, people have no confidence in these ‘investigations’. We got the predictable “Our cops did no wrong” during the Dorner hunt nonsense.
LE has no interest in investigating officer shootings. Why if they actually started being critical of such, they might end up on the wrong side of an investigation themselves.
“Interesting - there’s not a word in the article of the police side of the story.”
That’s because they aren’t talking. Or if they are, it is to their lawyers and each other on how to justify this.
If this were truly a good shoot, they’d already be giving details. Usually, it doesn’t take long before they are telling their side of what happened. The silence here is telling.
Yes, but one street witness is saying his hands were up the whole time of the incident, another witness (the other “male” he was walking with, probably fellow gang member) says that he put his hands up and turned around after he was shot. So which is it? And why would you believe these people anyways?
I suggest all of you consider how many were surrounding the cop as well as those that witnessed said scene. . This is a neighborhood of feral Affies. They live in a different culture, they lie, they cheat, they steal, and they attack in mass.
“Yes, but one street witness is saying his hands were up the whole time of the incident, another witness (the other “male” he was walking with, probably fellow gang member) says that he put his hands up and turned around after he was shot. So which is it? And why would you believe these people anyways?”
Yes, I’m sure every “Affie” is a liar. As for believing? Why would I believe the cops? Time and again, they are caught lying to cover themselves. Cops have no credibility.
And if they can do nothing else, it is the most over used “He reached for his waist band,” excuse. Once or twice, I might have bought. As many times as they’ve used it? It sounds a little like they are training themselves to immediately use that one if nothing else works.
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