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Why I support Israel
Pat Condell ^ | Published on Jun 18, 2014 | Pat Condell

Posted on 07/27/2014 2:02:50 PM PDT by Eurotwit

For your pleasure.


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1 posted on 07/27/2014 2:02:50 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

No, the entire mess is manufactured.

No thanks.


2 posted on 07/27/2014 2:15:31 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Eurotwit

The Jews want peace and the Arabs don’t. If Arabs wanted peace, they wouldn’t fire rockets at Jews in an unprovoked manner. If the Jews didn’t want peace, they would. Is this difficult to understand?


3 posted on 07/27/2014 2:20:17 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

It ain’t rocket science.


4 posted on 07/27/2014 2:23:07 PM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: Eurotwit

The intel services of US, Israeli a few other countries in the middle east all work for elite finance based in the UK and US. They have since their inception. UK intel developed the idea of terrorism and set the wheels in motion after WWI.

The creation of the modern nation of Israel sounded good to some of the public, but in truth it was engineered by elite finance of UK. It was part of the plan of setting up the middle east to be a perpetual source of chaos, terror, war, revolution, etc.

The terror operations of the world are really agents of new world order, working for MI6/CIA.

Any time new world order wants to promote a war, it needs to enlist the support of American conservative sheeple to scream “war!”. All they need do is push those tired old hot buttons of Islam, Israel, terrorism, etc., and us conservative sheeple are supposed to bark to that dog whistle.

We started balking at sending American forces into Ukraine, and we balked at pushing our Pubbie Congresscritters(tm) to pass immigration “”””reform”””” (i.e., allow in slave workers to take what paying jobs remain for us worker-taxpayer sheeple), so...............

DOG WHISTLE !! The world is ending ! Terror ! The world is a dangerous place. We need trillions more in funding for war. We need to attack everyone, every nation, all at once, all over the place !!

This is getting so idiotic I only check drudge and FR a couple times a day. TV news is straightup propaganda without even any pretense any more.


5 posted on 07/27/2014 2:40:48 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Eurotwit

Excellent!

I just downloaded about a dozen of his rants, and the guy really tells it like it is.

Islam
the EU
Anti Israeli Intollerance

Thanks for the link.


6 posted on 07/27/2014 3:22:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I read this site to not only get the “news” but to read different opinions.

Although I don’t disagree with all you wrote...I am curious about the statement regarding the UK being a part in setting up the ME to be perpetually in chaos.

Of what possible value could that be?


7 posted on 07/27/2014 3:29:45 PM PDT by berdie
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To: PieterCasparzen

Wait. What?


8 posted on 07/27/2014 3:57:19 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot ( Total War)
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To: berdie

I don’t know that the UK intentionally did it as much as unintentionally. It was a result of the unrest that had been going on and in their minds, it was “getting rid of a headache”, but instead they brought on a holocaust.


9 posted on 07/27/2014 3:59:05 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Eurotwit

Pat Condell is great.


10 posted on 07/27/2014 4:19:07 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: PieterCasparzen

PieterCasparzen wrote:
“No, the entire mess is manufactured. No thanks.”

WHAT mess??

WHICH mess?

MANUFACTURED, how, by whom, for what outcome?

Your answer resembles an ostrich attitude. Just remember what part of the ostrich is left exposed!

I do believe that, in a different time and place, if it were you, and a few partners of your’s, surrounded by Sitting Bull and his 5000, you would not be the ostrich.

Today, Sitting Bull is using an Arab name, with a lot phlegm-casting to pronounce it, and Israel is the 7th Cavalry.


11 posted on 07/27/2014 5:24:13 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: berdie

First, it’s not the UK, per se, but the financial powers that run the UK behind the scenes, as well as not so much behind the scenes. That is, elite global financiers.

This control of financiers goes back centuries; the British East India Company was a massive control mechanism, running India as a nation, while bringing in much of the British aristocracy and Parliament as investors. There’s a direct line from financial elites in the UK during the 18th century, right down through to the Fabian socialists of the late 19th century, via descendents and proteges. There are far more characters involved than can be summarized in a quick post here; a careful analsyis shows the same names and family and protege lines popping up as the real movers and shakers who wield the real power behind the throne of the UK.

In the US, the partners/subsidiaries of those elites were the wealthy families and entrepreneurs of America, who entered into financing relaltionships with them, notably first primarily George Peabody (Queen Victoria’s “favorite American”), whose wealth and power eventually became that of JP Morgan. Elite finance financed Rockefeller Sr’s attainment of monopoly in the US and that establishment became elite finance’s local arm based in the US. All senior US government administration officials are always proteges of this financial establishment. Careful research reveals very massive “red flags” to the researcher regarding the financial elites’ involvement in engineering all the financial “panics” of the 19th century, as well as the wars of America during that time.

By the turn of the century, it was becoming obvious to the financial elites that the middle east was holding vast oil deposits and that the automobile would make oil a far more vast industry even more than it had been in the 19th century. Rather than deal with the Ottoman Empire as a whole, it was far more advantageous to break it up into small nations, which would enable the financiers’ standard espionage and tactics to keep puppets in power so as to make governmental interference with their operations easily manageable and get drilling concessions on the most favorable terms. Thus the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire was one goal of the elites’ “WWI”.

In the first half of the 19th century, a senior Rothschild had rebuffed requests from Zionists to establish a modern State of Israel. After the turn of the century, the grandson of that Rothschild assented to giving the project his backing and worked with the grandson of one of the members of the orginal requesting group. So the backing of the creation of the State of Israel, for the financial elites, was not so much a matter of principal as it was a matter of whether it coincided with their plans and operations. Thus we see that ethnic and religous ties, at their core, are only meaningful to the elites in terms of whether they can be used as a means to an end.

After WWI, Palestine was no longer under the Ottoman Empire, which was defunct, but was under British control, thus the financial elites, having virtual total control over the British government, could then set in motion the plans to liberate Palestine from the UK.

The British appointed the first “grand mufti” of Jersusalem under their mandate, who was a shadowy character who wound up on the side of Hitler in WWII. The Muslim Brotherhood startup had British Intelligence involvement from day one. Virtually all middle east leaders have behind-the-scenes as well as publicly known dealings with the West via elite business connections as well as espionage connections. One must understand that in both Israel and Muslim middle eastern countries, there is a world of difference between a leading figure and the general public, which is generally clueless about the internal happenings of the espionage world at the time when the happenings are happening. It’s only much after the fact that some of the truth leaks out.

One of the fundamental strategies - always followed - by the financial elites is to have operatives and dealings and arrangements on both sides of a conflict. Another fundamental is control of public information, i.e., the news media, so engineered events can be publicized as being indigenous and spontaneous.

Consequently today the US intelligence and diplomatic agencies, as well as US elite financiers, have tremendous networks and dealings behind the scenes in all these middle eastern countries, as well as Israel. The financiers control US intelligence leadership (they have from its inception in WWII) by having “their men” leading it. Inside jobs, covert international activities, both legal and illegal (such as money laundering, arms dealing, large scale drug import/export, etc.) can thus be practiced by an “arm” of the financiers - with complete “national security” and “doing this for “America”” immunity from prosecution, while the financiers themselves keep their hands “clean”. There is never any full discovery of what’s going on and never any prosecution that is not methodically worn down and watered down to nothing.


12 posted on 07/28/2014 6:39:56 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Hugh the Scot; Terry L Smith

See my post #12.


13 posted on 07/28/2014 6:40:54 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Dear PC,

“IT’S THE BANKERS!’ “IT’S BUSH’S FAULT!” “IT’S THE HIDDEN ELITISTS!”

“IT’S THE UH, UH, YEAH, THAT’S IT, IT’S THOSE DUMB AMERICANS’ FAULT!’

Gaw-awe-aw-lee! Take a number 5 sheet metal screw and play with it!


14 posted on 07/28/2014 7:40:09 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Terry L Smith

For forty years, I would have said exactly the same thing.

I was a dyed-in-the-wool American conservative; any war the Republicans said was necessary, I was on board with supporting it. Never in my wildest dreams would I suppose that US government officials - especially these Republican leaders - would ever knowingly send Americans into harms way for any sort of ulterior motive; I thought the very idea of that was nonsense, and wholeheartedly supported all conservative causes.

A few years ago I started poking around doing some research.

I weeded out anything that I could not substantiate through my independent acquisition of copies of documents that corroborated “conspiracy” claims that I found in my research.

I only found modest amount of facts such as Congressional testimony, old financial records, old press clippings, copies of old correspondance, etc.

I did quite a bit of analysis, trying to either come up with an explanation which voided a conspiracy claim, or supported a conspiracy claim.

I approached it with the skepticism of a person who has been troubleshooting software for 20 years, succeeding where whole teams working for months failed.

Bottom line, I realized that I was wrong to assume that the political “team” leadership that I unfailingly supported would never lie to me. I also had always assumed that if there were lies or omissions of what was realeased to the public by the government, that it was “for the good of the people”, for the “good of the nation”, and I let it go at that. I assumed that ultimately - the government was on MY side, as an American citizen whose ancestors began coming to this country on the first few ships that arrived from Europe.

I realized that I had foolishly made this assumption thinking that I could leave “politics” to politicians, diplomacy to diplomats, investment banking to investment bankers, etc., and I could just focus on my own occupation and work very diligently at it, and just ASSUME that there was no conspiracy, that it was all quackery.

I realized that Republican politics was no more a real solution than Democrat politics. I was finally starting to understand the real problems on my own, instead of assuming that the real problems were simply what Fox News told me the current problems were.

A word to the wise is sufficient - if you seek the truth, you will find conflicts of interest of such magnitude that you will not honestly be able to ignore them, if, of course, you understand the implications of the conflicts of interest well enough.

Hint: the way of debt and tax slavery and control are very simple, and they are fundamental to our everyday life. They’re so simple, that’s how they can be hidden in plain sight, and most people simply shrug them off.


15 posted on 07/28/2014 8:54:19 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Dear PC,

It seems that I doth casteth my reapings of oyster gems.

We have nothing further to discuss.


16 posted on 07/28/2014 10:44:55 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: PieterCasparzen

I did, along with your post #15, and I found them absurd.


17 posted on 07/28/2014 3:40:39 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot ( Total War)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Thank you for your very informative and well written reply.


18 posted on 07/28/2014 6:09:55 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Hugh the Scot

I find it not only absurd, but very telling that the UK allows middle eastern terrorist leadership to live in the UK, notably in “Londonstan”.

If - and that’s a big if - “terrorism” was a real threat, the UK government would simply root out it’s leadership living in London.

Instead, we see the UK providing a comfortable headquarters for terrorist leadership.

When we “fight terrorism”, are we fighting the UK ? Is the UK “fighting terrorism” ? Or pretending to ?

UK and US elites piss on the legs of the sheeple and tell them it’s raining, and the loyal, gung-ho sheeple believe it.


19 posted on 07/29/2014 7:25:19 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
More absurdities. "Terrorism" is a tactic; a method used to achieve a specific objective in combat. It is no more possible to wage a war on terrorism than it is to wage a war on column formation. What you are not describing is a strategy; an alleged reason for deploying tactics to gain some perceived advantage. UK and US elites piss on the legs of the sheeple and tell them it’s raining, and the loyal, gung-ho sheeple believe it. But WHY do they do so? To what possible advantage? Cui Bono? Are the objectives obtainable? Is the strategy, whatever it is, sound? If the objectives are obtainable; are they obtainable by other means? Would other means provide an equivalent result a a reduced cost? You're apparently looking for buy-in on a very poorly fleshed out conspiracy theory, in which you have failed to name names when the opportunity arises; failed to illuminate the goals of the conspirators; failed to demonstrate that their methods are sound, let alone effective... You have asserted that
the entire mess is manufactured
, an astonishing premise in itself; and indicted a whole slew of shadowy "elites" with unlimited capital, incredible planning skills, and a very long view (apparently) on their objectives... yet these super wealthy, super geniuses couldn't come up with a better way to institute debt slavery and oligarchy , than to have a bunch of idiots self detonate? Then they created the entire nation of Israel for absolutely no plausible reason, other than to provide these same idiots a place to do it? God loves you my FRiend, but sometimes people, even the Rothschilds and the British East India Company, just didn't expect what was going to happen next.
20 posted on 07/29/2014 1:23:34 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot ( Total War)
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