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Who are you going to believe-Obama and Kerry or your lying eyes?
1 posted on 07/21/2014 4:22:57 PM PDT by The Bat Ladys Husband
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1939: Germany Says Has Photos of Poland Attacking Gleiwitz Radio Station


2 posted on 07/21/2014 4:24:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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RUSSIA HAS IMAGES OF UKRAINE DEPLOYING BUK ROCKETS IN EAST
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...and then the Ukrainians hot footed out of Ukrain into Russia?

Yeah, that’s the ticket.


4 posted on 07/21/2014 4:30:50 PM PDT by RetSignman (obama: "For the love of Alinsky, how much more do I have to do to get them to impeach me"?)
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Zerohedge is just vomiting up Russian propaganda uncritically. Case in point:

“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated."

The Russkie shamelessly claims the SU-25 can reach 10KM. It does not. That's why there is a Wikipedia war going on right now with the Russkies trying to upgrade the SU-25, at least online, for a gullible public:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3183152/posts

One can tell that they aren't trying to fool any governments here. They are going after the public, since they know the public isn't likely to know things like what an SU-25 can or can't do, or what the maximum range of a Buk is.

Zerohedge also is reporting on the Russkies "debunking" the photographs of the Buks returning to Russia. Which is also BS:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3183175/posts

Fact of the matter is, these stupid Russkies already admitted to shooting it down and to having the weapons necessary to do it, even while these losers shamelessly put forward all kinds of conspiracy theories to cover it up.

6 posted on 07/21/2014 4:36:33 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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Ukraine hasn’t said how it immediately knew rebels downed Malaysian plane, notes the Russian Foreign Ministry,

First to know a plane was down was Strelkov, who reported on twitter that they had shut down a Ukrainian AN26. It was immediately followed by Russian TV Life News who also reported shooting a Ukrainian plane. Both instances are documented.

7 posted on 07/21/2014 4:37:35 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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I can make them, too. How about all the nations who lost citizens in the crash get all their intel together, not on an IRS hard drive, keep the originals and have a forum. One nation who did not lose a citizen and can be trusted as arbitrator. Good luck with that.


8 posted on 07/21/2014 4:39:06 PM PDT by huldah1776
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I'd believe this before I would believe Lerners e-mails were stored on her hard drive.

The Russian propaganda is at least plausible.

9 posted on 07/21/2014 4:42:13 PM PDT by Rome2000
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Hey, Russia got the evidence from Dan Rather who picked it up at Kinko’s. What more do you need?!?


10 posted on 07/21/2014 4:48:12 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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“Ukraine has missiles too.”

Those pesky facts again. Dayum!


11 posted on 07/21/2014 5:05:01 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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Amazing what computers can do these days.

13 posted on 07/21/2014 5:17:29 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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this and the missing MH370 conspiracy theory together, are thought provoking at least.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/20/wrong-aircraft-identified-as-malaysia-flt-mh-17-fuels-doubts/


17 posted on 07/21/2014 5:26:12 PM PDT by Hypo2
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Who are you going to believe-Obama and Kerry or your lying eyes?

Obama/Kerry aren't exactly known for being honest... about anything.

18 posted on 07/21/2014 5:28:34 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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Looks like we’re finally getting to the bottom of this.

I figured the “blame Putin” push was just to get those Central American kids out of the news...and it worked GREAT.


19 posted on 07/21/2014 5:28:57 PM PDT by BobL
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re: believing Obama

Remember back at the beginning of Obama's first administration, the "beer summit" because Obama assumed his black friend was correct and the Cambridge MA policemen were in error? Remember Obama's response to Treyvon's death before he had any facts? Didn't Obama ignore warnings about the Tsarnov maniacs? Remember labeling Snowden as a traitor?

My point is that Obama has a sorry history of drawing conclusions based on who he likes and who he doesn't like. And Obama does not like Putin. And Obama jumped to conclusions in this situation based on some strangely perfect "evidence" from Kiev.

20 posted on 07/21/2014 5:39:17 PM PDT by grania (t)
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The whole MH17 story is as watertight as a screen door on a submarine. Evidence is going to pour in.


25 posted on 07/21/2014 5:53:28 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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Oh Yeh sure —

And this from the same looting prefabricators who played cat and mouse with the bodies of the victims as they rifled though the evidence disturbing the crime scene for the last 4 days.


34 posted on 07/21/2014 6:15:40 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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The Russians are playing it like your typical criminal defense attorney. It woulda, coulda, shoulda happened, so therefore it did, thus creating doubt. Beware the big lie, we are not alone when it comes to gullible people.


35 posted on 07/21/2014 6:36:52 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Hillary 2016! Really??? That's Retarded Sir.)
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Interesting. Finally someone is releasing actual sat images and radar derived info. Not youtube videos or twitter images. And the Russians do not seem to draw any conclusions here. They just draw questions and point out possibilities. Kinda hard to see a Ukraine jet shooting the flight down. Or a Ukraine missile shooting it down. That points to a false flag and crazy tinfoil territory. We do have confirmation however that a military jet was in the vicinity of the commercial flight. Will the Ukraine release their radar data on the flight ? Why hold it back ?


37 posted on 07/21/2014 10:51:05 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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A couple of questions:

My understanding is that the Ukranians have large jet transport aircraft. My understanding is that the pro-Russian separatists do NOT have large jet transport aircraft.

Why wouldn’t the pro-Russian separatists shoot at a jet they knew was not their own? Why would the Ukranians shoot at it?


39 posted on 07/22/2014 6:10:25 AM PDT by jim_trent
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