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IRS lawyer: By the way, hard drives of some other employees who dealt with Lois Lerner also crashed
Hotair ^ | 07/21/2014 | AllahPundit

Posted on 07/21/2014 12:09:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

We’ve reached a sufficiently high level of implausibility now, I think, that this story technically qualifies as a news-of-the-weird palate cleanser, not actual news.

Assuming the data isn’t recovered and no one is punished, as seems likely, this is a get-out-of-jail-free card for the next president’s administration, no? If some Democratic Senate oversight committee demands to see e-mails from President Christie’s underlings and the reply comes back that the hard drives were all corrupted, what’s the grounds for complaint?

IRS Deputy Associate Chief Counsel Thomas Kane said in transcribed congressional testimony that more IRS officials experienced computer crashes, bringing the total number of crash victims to “less than 20,” and also said that the agency does not know if the lost emails are still backed up somewhere.

The new round of computer crash victims includes David Fish, who routinely corresponded with Lois Lerner, as well as Lerner subordinate Andy Megosh, Lerner’s technical adviser Justin Lowe, and Cincinnati-based agent Kimberly Kitchens.

Per WaPo, the International Association of Information Technology Asset Managers (IAITAM) published a list of six unanswered questions for the IRS’s IT wizards today. Question one:

1.) What happened to the IRS’s IT asset managers who appear to have disappeared at a key juncture?

Ordering the destruction of a hard drive and documenting that process would be handled by trained, certified IT asset managers, according to IAITAM. But the group’s records show that at least three IRS IT asset managers were shuffled out of their positions around the time of the May 2013 inspector general’s report that detailed the agency’s targeting practices.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crash; harddrives; irs; irsloislerner; irsscandals; irsteapartyscandal; lerneremails

1 posted on 07/21/2014 12:09:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So, don’t bother looking for their e-mails as well...................Just a heads up, so we can save some time and money, you know.................


2 posted on 07/21/2014 12:14:05 PM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: SeekAndFind
I wish the evil Koch brothers would offer a one million dollar reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of Lois Lerner.
3 posted on 07/21/2014 12:14:07 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: SeekAndFind

Once the criminal regime got away with
no birth certificate, fraud by Pelosi,
known criminal behavior by Holder,
supporting al Qaeda, opening the borders
while infecting every state with tuberculosis,
WHAT WAS LEFT?


4 posted on 07/21/2014 12:15:11 PM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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To: SeekAndFind

How come that excuse will never work for my tax records....

We live in lawlessness, only the typical law abiding citizen doesn’t realize it yet, but the government sure as hell does and is using it to their FULL ADVANTAGE....


5 posted on 07/21/2014 12:15:30 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: SeekAndFind

charge her with felony obstruction and let a jury deicde if this all just a coincidence.

What is the hold up?


6 posted on 07/21/2014 12:17:19 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (false claims of racism--the first refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: Cubs Fan

They are on the G: drive.


7 posted on 07/21/2014 12:19:25 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SeekAndFind
Jeepers.
What bad luck!!!
8 posted on 07/21/2014 12:23:14 PM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Put them all in jail for destroying evidence!


9 posted on 07/21/2014 12:30:41 PM PDT by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: aviator; All

Must have been free magnet day @ the IRS for that bunch.....


10 posted on 07/21/2014 12:33:03 PM PDT by PenguinM
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To: SeekAndFind

By the way.


11 posted on 07/21/2014 12:35:34 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: SeekAndFind

Dear IRS:

I’m sorry that I can’t provide all the documents you want to see, but my VCR no longer works, so they’re gone.

Regards,


12 posted on 07/21/2014 12:37:08 PM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll bet they all forgot to print off those emails and file them at the National Archives, too.


13 posted on 07/21/2014 12:39:52 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: SeekAndFind

How convenient.


14 posted on 07/21/2014 12:47:58 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And there still will be no special prosecutor.

Because the Emperor doesn’t see a need for one, Eric will handle it.
He’s doing the lords work for America


15 posted on 07/21/2014 12:53:32 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: SeekAndFind
How long before we read that Lerner's machine was infected with a potent email virus that replicated itself on EVERY IRS or administration computer whose users exchanged email with her?

Boy, of all the rotten luck...

16 posted on 07/21/2014 1:00:00 PM PDT by DJ Frisat (Proudly providing the NSA with provocative textual content since 1995!)
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To: SeekAndFind

They are laughing at us, America! They know that we can’t do anything to them. It has really come right down to it: the government considers the people and the opposition to be the enemy.

Next, they’ll just show us the hard drive and then smash it with a giant Gallagher mallet and say, “Oops. This one crashed too!”


17 posted on 07/21/2014 1:04:04 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: Bryanw92

Again, it is NOT the computer’s hard drives that are the problem.

E-mails are not stored in the user’s hard drives. They are storied in e-mail SERVERS.

Even if the server crashed, all major systems have redundancy built in for just this reason. Take down the server, use the redundant server, fix the main server, and reload the data. Always at least two complete systems.

The experts keep telling us this: When you lose your computer [hard drive], you don’t lose your email. In a business environment, the email actually resides on the server. So, they’re retrievable from the server,

I wonder what’s so hard to understand about that...


18 posted on 07/21/2014 1:13:20 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

>>Again, it is NOT the computer’s hard drives that are the problem.

I know that. I’m a System Admin. That’s my point. They are not only lying, they are lying about using 20 year old technology and they don’t care that we know its a lie.

I’m surprised they didn’t blame it reformatting the wrong floppy.


19 posted on 07/21/2014 1:24:48 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: massgopguy
They are on the G: drive.

Is that the one that is write-only?

20 posted on 07/21/2014 1:27:44 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is sad that intellectual curiosity has become so politically-incorrect in modern-day America.

The Daily Show will just say that anyone interested in things like this are just “CRAZY PEOPLE!”, and the sheeple will just bleat, and look away.


21 posted on 07/21/2014 1:29:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: SeekAndFind

I wonder what’s so hard to understand about that...

You are on the right track.
Lets say her hard drive did fail, just to buy the IRS line, Lerner’s computer was finished, done, couldn’t be used anymore.
What was the next step? Of course IT would provide her with a new computer or a new hard drive. The only problem, would be there would be no data on that hard drive. It would be blank as far as data was concerned.
Question: How did Lerner and these other officials operate their departments with out years worth of folders, documents and email contacts?
Put yourself in her position or anyones position where all your data was deleted and no way to retrieve it. Panic city right?
Obviously this didn’t happen to Lerner nor to any of the others. WHY?
2 reasons:
1. There was no hard drive failure, just the story lie from the IRS.
2. Her new hard drive was reloaded from (stored data) and that would include her emails.
You can not function a major government office if you lost 2 years of data.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too.


22 posted on 07/21/2014 2:02:51 PM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: tcrlaf

Lois is a walking-talking EMP blast, no hard drive can withstand her energy. We should send her to China to deal with the PLA.


23 posted on 07/21/2014 2:23:42 PM PDT by Lets Roll NOW (A baby isn't a punishment, Obama is)
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To: SeekAndFind
When you lose your computer [hard drive], you don’t lose your email.

There are circumstances where this isn't necessarily true. The IRS may give the users a very small mailbox on the server with a short retention policy. To save older and more email, the user would have to archive to pst files on their local hard drive.

24 posted on 07/21/2014 2:37:36 PM PDT by IamConservative (If fighting fire with fire is a good idea, why do the pros use water?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gee.. I wonder if there is criminal destruction of evidence going on at the highest levels of the IRS...

Any Honest IT pro can tell you what really happened here. Theses Obama Stooges committed criminal acts and they need to be brought up on criminal charges. The Real question is who will/can do it?

Theses people were either ordered to do this by Obama or they volunteered like good little leftist to fall on the sword and carry out a blatantly illegal act of using their office to suppress political opposition then destroying the evidence about it.


25 posted on 07/21/2014 2:44:13 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: SeekAndFind

Why doesn’t he say,

HD’s of ALL people Lois Lerner has communicated with either have crashed or WILL CRASH before you get to them!!
OK?


26 posted on 07/21/2014 2:47:50 PM PDT by noah (noah)
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To: All
Going to the linked source, does anyone else get a banner ad for Hard Drive Recovery $199?
27 posted on 07/21/2014 5:22:23 PM PDT by kitchen (Even the walls have ears.)
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To: SeekAndFind

An epidemic of “crashes!” And did the dog chew their homework too????


28 posted on 07/21/2014 6:23:25 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh by the way, they can sit in jail until someone searches the servers and retrieves all these e-mails.


29 posted on 07/21/2014 7:58:10 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: SeekAndFind

Crashed or we’re destroyed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnkSXosZhic


30 posted on 07/21/2014 7:59:33 PM PDT by GOPJ (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize-Voltaire)
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To: SeekAndFind

Crashed or destroyed...


31 posted on 07/21/2014 8:13:28 PM PDT by GOPJ (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize-Voltaire)
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To: Diogenesis

You’ll like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnkSXosZhic


32 posted on 07/21/2014 8:14:22 PM PDT by GOPJ (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize-Voltaire)
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To: IamConservative

Being from an I.T. background, there is NO company, that I know of, nor have ever worked for, that does not archive e-mails to tape for damn near forever...per regulation.

Now, that could be the biz I work in (finance, and now gov’t), but what biz wouldn’t CYA by using cheap tape and/or media when the regulators/etc. come knocking, or from some B.S. harassment lawsuit, or...

Still, they did not (yeah, just THIS time) follow their own regs/Law in RE: computer/HDD failure. Where’s the grilling of the I.T. and the subpena of chain-of-command. SOMEONE had to sign-off of destruction, rebuild, restore, etc. Wasn’t Keebler elves coming in to save the day.


33 posted on 07/22/2014 5:58:50 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: SeekAndFind

I sure this teaches the government to consider having email messages be stored on servers, like the rest of the world, instead of local hard disks.


34 posted on 07/22/2014 7:06:40 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: MNDude

(I sure hope)


35 posted on 07/22/2014 7:07:30 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: i_robot73
Still, they did not (yeah, just THIS time) follow their own regs/Law in RE: computer/HDD failure. Where’s the grilling of the I.T. and the subpena of chain-of-command. SOMEONE had to sign-off of destruction, rebuild, restore, etc. Wasn’t Keebler elves coming in to save the day.

While email can theoretically be kept forever, most companies have defined retention programs that are put in place specifically to limit the scope of e-discovery in the event of litigation. There are documents that must be kept per various industries, regulations,etc., but generally, everything else is deleted in a period defined by a given companies retention policy. Most retention periods are pretty short in my experience.

I don't know the specifics of the retention requirements for IRS email, but email can be setup to make them disappear pretty quickly. I'm sure the bureaucrats would rather get busted for incompetent document retention than collusion to target political opponents.

36 posted on 07/22/2014 8:20:43 AM PDT by IamConservative (If fighting fire with fire is a good idea, why do the pros use water?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why would it matter if Lerner’s hard drive crashed?

I know of no e-mail system where the e-mails are not stored on a remote server, which is routinely backed up and archived?


37 posted on 07/22/2014 2:27:31 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: IamConservative

I would presume it would depend on the field. But, as HDD space has dropped in $$ like a rock, AND adding that Lerner wasn’t just some low-level employee, most IT/co (let alone the employee themselves) keep as much...for as long as possible.


38 posted on 07/23/2014 9:57:25 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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