Skip to comments.IRS lawyer: By the way, hard drives of some other employees who dealt with Lois Lerner also crashed
Posted on 07/21/2014 12:09:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
We’ve reached a sufficiently high level of implausibility now, I think, that this story technically qualifies as a news-of-the-weird palate cleanser, not actual news.
Assuming the data isn’t recovered and no one is punished, as seems likely, this is a get-out-of-jail-free card for the next president’s administration, no? If some Democratic Senate oversight committee demands to see e-mails from President Christie’s underlings and the reply comes back that the hard drives were all corrupted, what’s the grounds for complaint?
IRS Deputy Associate Chief Counsel Thomas Kane said in transcribed congressional testimony that more IRS officials experienced computer crashes, bringing the total number of crash victims to less than 20, and also said that the agency does not know if the lost emails are still backed up somewhere.
The new round of computer crash victims includes David Fish, who routinely corresponded with Lois Lerner, as well as Lerner subordinate Andy Megosh, Lerners technical adviser Justin Lowe, and Cincinnati-based agent Kimberly Kitchens.
Per WaPo, the International Association of Information Technology Asset Managers (IAITAM) published a list of six unanswered questions for the IRS’s IT wizards today. Question one:
1.) What happened to the IRSs IT asset managers who appear to have disappeared at a key juncture?
Ordering the destruction of a hard drive and documenting that process would be handled by trained, certified IT asset managers, according to IAITAM. But the groups records show that at least three IRS IT asset managers were shuffled out of their positions around the time of the May 2013 inspector generals report that detailed the agencys targeting practices.
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So, don’t bother looking for their e-mails as well...................Just a heads up, so we can save some time and money, you know.................
Once the criminal regime got away with
no birth certificate, fraud by Pelosi,
known criminal behavior by Holder,
supporting al Qaeda, opening the borders
while infecting every state with tuberculosis,
WHAT WAS LEFT?
How come that excuse will never work for my tax records....
We live in lawlessness, only the typical law abiding citizen doesn’t realize it yet, but the government sure as hell does and is using it to their FULL ADVANTAGE....
charge her with felony obstruction and let a jury deicde if this all just a coincidence.
What is the hold up?
They are on the G: drive.
Put them all in jail for destroying evidence!
Must have been free magnet day @ the IRS for that bunch.....
By the way.
I’m sorry that I can’t provide all the documents you want to see, but my VCR no longer works, so they’re gone.
I’ll bet they all forgot to print off those emails and file them at the National Archives, too.
And there still will be no special prosecutor.
Because the Emperor doesn’t see a need for one, Eric will handle it.
He’s doing the lords work for America
Boy, of all the rotten luck...
They are laughing at us, America! They know that we can’t do anything to them. It has really come right down to it: the government considers the people and the opposition to be the enemy.
Next, they’ll just show us the hard drive and then smash it with a giant Gallagher mallet and say, “Oops. This one crashed too!”
Again, it is NOT the computer’s hard drives that are the problem.
E-mails are not stored in the user’s hard drives. They are storied in e-mail SERVERS.
Even if the server crashed, all major systems have redundancy built in for just this reason. Take down the server, use the redundant server, fix the main server, and reload the data. Always at least two complete systems.
The experts keep telling us this: When you lose your computer [hard drive], you dont lose your email. In a business environment, the email actually resides on the server. So, theyre retrievable from the server,
I wonder what’s so hard to understand about that...
>>Again, it is NOT the computers hard drives that are the problem.
I know that. I’m a System Admin. That’s my point. They are not only lying, they are lying about using 20 year old technology and they don’t care that we know its a lie.
I’m surprised they didn’t blame it reformatting the wrong floppy.
Is that the one that is write-only?
It is sad that intellectual curiosity has become so politically-incorrect in modern-day America.
The Daily Show will just say that anyone interested in things like this are just “CRAZY PEOPLE!”, and the sheeple will just bleat, and look away.
I wonder whats so hard to understand about that...
You are on the right track.
Lets say her hard drive did fail, just to buy the IRS line, Lerner’s computer was finished, done, couldn’t be used anymore.
What was the next step? Of course IT would provide her with a new computer or a new hard drive. The only problem, would be there would be no data on that hard drive. It would be blank as far as data was concerned.
Question: How did Lerner and these other officials operate their departments with out years worth of folders, documents and email contacts?
Put yourself in her position or anyones position where all your data was deleted and no way to retrieve it. Panic city right?
Obviously this didn’t happen to Lerner nor to any of the others. WHY?
1. There was no hard drive failure, just the story lie from the IRS.
2. Her new hard drive was reloaded from (stored data) and that would include her emails.
You can not function a major government office if you lost 2 years of data.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Lois is a walking-talking EMP blast, no hard drive can withstand her energy. We should send her to China to deal with the PLA.
There are circumstances where this isn't necessarily true. The IRS may give the users a very small mailbox on the server with a short retention policy. To save older and more email, the user would have to archive to pst files on their local hard drive.
Gee.. I wonder if there is criminal destruction of evidence going on at the highest levels of the IRS...
Any Honest IT pro can tell you what really happened here. Theses Obama Stooges committed criminal acts and they need to be brought up on criminal charges. The Real question is who will/can do it?
Theses people were either ordered to do this by Obama or they volunteered like good little leftist to fall on the sword and carry out a blatantly illegal act of using their office to suppress political opposition then destroying the evidence about it.
Why doesn’t he say,
HD’s of ALL people Lois Lerner has communicated with either have crashed or WILL CRASH before you get to them!!
An epidemic of “crashes!” And did the dog chew their homework too????
Oh by the way, they can sit in jail until someone searches the servers and retrieves all these e-mails.
Crashed or we’re destroyed?
Crashed or destroyed...
You’ll like this...
Being from an I.T. background, there is NO company, that I know of, nor have ever worked for, that does not archive e-mails to tape for damn near forever...per regulation.
Now, that could be the biz I work in (finance, and now gov’t), but what biz wouldn’t CYA by using cheap tape and/or media when the regulators/etc. come knocking, or from some B.S. harassment lawsuit, or...
Still, they did not (yeah, just THIS time) follow their own regs/Law in RE: computer/HDD failure. Where’s the grilling of the I.T. and the subpena of chain-of-command. SOMEONE had to sign-off of destruction, rebuild, restore, etc. Wasn’t Keebler elves coming in to save the day.
I sure this teaches the government to consider having email messages be stored on servers, like the rest of the world, instead of local hard disks.
(I sure hope)
While email can theoretically be kept forever, most companies have defined retention programs that are put in place specifically to limit the scope of e-discovery in the event of litigation. There are documents that must be kept per various industries, regulations,etc., but generally, everything else is deleted in a period defined by a given companies retention policy. Most retention periods are pretty short in my experience.
I don't know the specifics of the retention requirements for IRS email, but email can be setup to make them disappear pretty quickly. I'm sure the bureaucrats would rather get busted for incompetent document retention than collusion to target political opponents.
Why would it matter if Lerner’s hard drive crashed?
I know of no e-mail system where the e-mails are not stored on a remote server, which is routinely backed up and archived?
I would presume it would depend on the field. But, as HDD space has dropped in $$ like a rock, AND adding that Lerner wasn’t just some low-level employee, most IT/co (let alone the employee themselves) keep as much...for as long as possible.
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