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Israel military's 'knock on roof' warnings criticized by rights groups [Can you win a war this way?]
CNN ^ | 07/15/2014 | By Tim Lister and Salma Abdelaziz

Posted on 07/15/2014 2:24:45 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

It's become another military euphemism, along with "collateral damage" and "friendly fire."

The "knock on the roof" is the Israeli military's warning for civilians before it fires on a building and is being used extensively as Israeli airstrikes target Hamas sites in Operation Protective Edge.

The Israeli Air Force developed the technique in 2009 as a way to warn civilians in Gaza to leave buildings it has identified as locations where Hamas keeps ammunition, a rocket stash or command post. But it is a controversial policy that has been criticized by human rights groups.

The procedure generally begins with a phone call to the occupants to leave a building, according to Relik Shafir, a retired brigadier general in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and a former fighter pilot.

Such places, he says, are often under constant surveillance, and the IDF has a sense of how many people live there, and how many leave.

If it is still unclear whether a building is occupied, a missile that carries little or no explosive load is aimed at the roof of a building. The impact is felt, but it rarely causes casualties.

"It's meant to get people to take us seriously," says Shafir.

There is no standard gap between the delivery of the "dummy" missile and fully armed missiles, says Shafir. It can be minutes or even hours. It depends on how important the target is. But there are hundreds or even thousands of such places in Gaza, chosen by Hamas precisely because they complicate targeting.

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TOPICS: Egypt; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: egypt; gaza; hamas; israel; palestine; russia; stih; waronterror
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1 posted on 07/15/2014 2:24:45 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

How much warning do the palis give civilians before dropping a rocket on them?


2 posted on 07/15/2014 2:26:02 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pretty soon they’ll be driving right up to the front door with Schlomo’s Taxi Service to help the people get out in time.


3 posted on 07/15/2014 2:27:42 PM PDT by lurk
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To: MrB

bttt!


4 posted on 07/15/2014 2:28:09 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The only thing these warnings do is alert hamas terrorists to leave, and shoo-in their human relatively-innocent woman-and-children fodder. Generally, visible on the roof, to see if they can stave-off the Israeli strike. All the while, the hamas terrorists watch all unfold from across the street.


5 posted on 07/15/2014 2:28:33 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: SeekAndFind

CNN is long tied with terrorists.

So who cares.


6 posted on 07/15/2014 2:28:42 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: SeekAndFind

So, then, just whack them without any warning. See if they like that any better.


7 posted on 07/15/2014 2:38:05 PM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: MrB

“How much warning do the palis give civilians before dropping a rocket on them?”

When there’s a confrontation between a crazy person and a sane person the police insist that the sane person do exactly as they say. The insisted on action is usually to the damage or detriment of the sane person. But the cops know they can’t get the crazy person to stop. So, they insist that the sane person not respond. They don’t care what happens to the sane person, they just want the conflict to stop.


9 posted on 07/15/2014 2:40:18 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: SeekAndFind

warnings are ridiculous. makes Israel look like a stupid fool


10 posted on 07/15/2014 2:41:04 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: SeekAndFind
And how much warning does Hamas give when shooting missiles indiscriminately into civilian zones?
11 posted on 07/15/2014 2:43:31 PM PDT by SkyDancer (When the government is above the law, it's called fascism.)
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To: SkyDancer; faithhopecharity

That’s why I asked the rhetorical question — Is this any way to win a war?

I don’t recall Israel ever doing this in 1948 or 1967.

Heck, I don’t recall the USA doing this in the war to defeat Imperial Japan or Germany.


12 posted on 07/15/2014 2:53:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SkyDancer

As a former attack piloy in Vietnam, I think this idea sucks. It’s akin to a LEO firing “warning shots,” which is never done. But the Israelis are bending over backward to avoid international criticism from Lefties. Waste of time and energy.

TC


13 posted on 07/15/2014 2:54:12 PM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: Diogenesis

The cries of injustice fall flat when screeched by evil men.


14 posted on 07/15/2014 2:55:19 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Excuse me Moishe...
my 3-year-old daughter is wired with 10Kg of explosives.
Please leave this open-air market in the next 5 minutes.

Sure..that happens.


15 posted on 07/15/2014 2:58:10 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck

Israel could drop warm fuzzy bunnies with a “please Don’t Shoot Rockets At Us” note with Hello Kitties all over it and the world would still get their knickers in a twist ...


16 posted on 07/15/2014 3:16:16 PM PDT by SkyDancer (When the government is above the law, it's called fascism.)
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s no way to win a war. Hamas needs to die with their pants down.

Can you imagine WW2 being fought that way?

“Dear Adolf,

We plan to bomb your staff headquarters in five hours. Would you be so kind as to leave before then? Goodness knows, we don’t want any civilians to be hurt.

All the best,
Winnie”


17 posted on 07/15/2014 3:22:50 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

They aren’t rights groups — they’re Jew-hating pro-genocide thugs.

Thanks SeekAndFind.


18 posted on 07/15/2014 3:48:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SeekAndFind
It seems that firing missiles at Israeli civilians would allow the Israelis a 'no knock' warrant.

That they still go out of their way to prevent civilians causalities speaks well to their character.

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19 posted on 07/15/2014 3:54:39 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: SeekAndFind

So what CNN and its affiliated Progressive whiners are objecting to is that a few minutes is not enough time to haul the rockets, mortars, etc. from the building and that the Israelis should tell them exactly when the real bombs will arrive.


20 posted on 07/15/2014 4:08:07 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Could Warren Buffet's oil trains be considered mobile Jihadist weapons of mass distruction?)
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