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To: caww
First of all, the dispute is over gas pipelines, not oil. The pipelines belong to Ukraine, not Russia. If Putin doesn't want to do business with Ukraine, then he should sell his gas to his Chi-com comrades.

The Ukrainians on the Maidan withstood freezing temperatures for weeks in the middle of winter and didn't back down. Putin's threat to cut off their gas doesn't scare them anymore. They are willing to sacrifice in order gain their freedom from their Neo-Soviet Russian oppressors.

Has Russia's invasion of Ukraine made it more or less likely that they will pay off the debt they owe Russia? Do you really expect Ukraine to pay Russia now?

The Ukrainians never attacked or even threatened Russia's Crimean port in any way. They barely even resisted Russia's invasion! They could not even defend themselves from attack, much less pose the Russians any credible threat. Nor does NATO need or want Crimea, since we already control access to the Black Sea and can project power then whenever we choose to do so.

We invaded Kuwait to secure our our own oil supply. Putin on the other hand has not secured anything by invading Crimea, because the gas pipelines to the EU do not go through Crimea.

39 posted on 07/13/2014 12:53:53 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

As said Putin’s moved well beyond Ukraine....regardless who “Owns” the pipelines...Ukraine cooked their own goose in that respect.

I could care less what so called Maidan did, I’d just as soon they froze to death quite frankly for the plans to hi-jack them were long in the making..before they even hit the streets. ...which is the problem with youth making up the bulk of these getting off the ground....they can’t see or manage the “other” elements when they step onto the gameboard. They get too caught up into “the moment” rather than watch their backs. They have no skills in how the game is REALLY played and why outside influences are so qucik to take them over.

Russia doesn’t care if or not Ukraine pays it’s debt, though it makes for leverage when to Russia’s advantage politically. They already wrote off Ukraine.

As mentioned before if you or others want to believe this is about Ukrainian people, well go at it...but it’s not and never was. This is about the big boys park and who gets to play in it and for it....Ukraine’s people are simply the pawns on the board that get moved or taken in check-mate.

Crimea was always Russia prior...Krushy baby handed it over to Ukraine as a “gift”...the people had zero choice in the matter. Putin took it back and the people rose to the occassion...they had no intentions of fighting. Although Ukraines army would have rather retained their place among.

Further Nato wants ALL the Baltic nations under it’s control...in order to checkmate Russia. It’s really not hard to figure out....Putin said very little as they scoped up one nation after another....(the peoples choice) so why have a problem when Crimeans went along with their choice to return to Russia? You can’t have it both ways....further we do not have control of the Black Sea. Being in it doesn’t make you overlord of it. Further...Putin secured his Ports and fleets in Crimea.....side benefit was the resources.

We moved into Kuwait only because Saudi insisted we do when Saddam was right on ‘their border’ ready to invade.


42 posted on 07/13/2014 1:11:43 PM PDT by caww
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Please provide solid evidence of Russia’s “invasion” of Crimea.


53 posted on 07/13/2014 1:35:18 PM PDT by ResisTyr ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God " ~Thomas Jefferson)
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