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To: Tailgunner Joe

As said Putin’s moved well beyond Ukraine....regardless who “Owns” the pipelines...Ukraine cooked their own goose in that respect.

I could care less what so called Maidan did, I’d just as soon they froze to death quite frankly for the plans to hi-jack them were long in the making..before they even hit the streets. ...which is the problem with youth making up the bulk of these getting off the ground....they can’t see or manage the “other” elements when they step onto the gameboard. They get too caught up into “the moment” rather than watch their backs. They have no skills in how the game is REALLY played and why outside influences are so qucik to take them over.

Russia doesn’t care if or not Ukraine pays it’s debt, though it makes for leverage when to Russia’s advantage politically. They already wrote off Ukraine.

As mentioned before if you or others want to believe this is about Ukrainian people, well go at it...but it’s not and never was. This is about the big boys park and who gets to play in it and for it....Ukraine’s people are simply the pawns on the board that get moved or taken in check-mate.

Crimea was always Russia prior...Krushy baby handed it over to Ukraine as a “gift”...the people had zero choice in the matter. Putin took it back and the people rose to the occassion...they had no intentions of fighting. Although Ukraines army would have rather retained their place among.

Further Nato wants ALL the Baltic nations under it’s control...in order to checkmate Russia. It’s really not hard to figure out....Putin said very little as they scoped up one nation after another....(the peoples choice) so why have a problem when Crimeans went along with their choice to return to Russia? You can’t have it both ways....further we do not have control of the Black Sea. Being in it doesn’t make you overlord of it. Further...Putin secured his Ports and fleets in Crimea.....side benefit was the resources.

We moved into Kuwait only because Saudi insisted we do when Saddam was right on ‘their border’ ready to invade.


42 posted on 07/13/2014 1:11:43 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

“This is about the big boys park and who gets to play in it and for it....Ukraine’s people are simply the pawns on the board that get moved or taken in check-mate.”

Bingo....

I’ll add that WINTER IS COMING, and it is going to get damned cold soon.


45 posted on 07/13/2014 1:18:00 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: caww
Putin still has to deal with Ukraine because they still control the pipelines into Europe. So Putin gained nothing. In fact he lost, because due to Putin's actions, Brussels has halted his planned South Stream pipeline across the Black Sea which would have cut Ukraine out.

For such foolish naive amateurs, the Maidan youths have gotten the better of Putin. They overthrew his puppet and sent him running to cower behind his Russian masters. Maidan won and Putin lost!

Putin's invasion of Crimea gained him nothing and has cost him enormously. It was a desperate attempt to save face after his humiliating defeat at the hands of Ukrainian patriots. His miserable failure to take “Novorossiya” has exposed his impotence for all to see and has even enraged his own people who will soon turn against him.

Putin's Black Sea fleet is worthless. NATO’s forces are far superior to Russia's and we can keep the useless Russian forces bottled up. Checkmate!

49 posted on 07/13/2014 1:29:09 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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