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1 posted on 07/08/2014 5:05:55 PM PDT by Kaslin
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The retirees were promised too much in many cases.


2 posted on 07/08/2014 5:07:12 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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Detroit public employees got rich of Detroit government mismanagement seems only fair.


4 posted on 07/08/2014 5:08:03 PM PDT by Reaganez
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Are they figuring in the effects of the Death Panels in the fiduciary calculations?

If not, the long term scenario is probably better than predicted. Every year sliced off the lifespan is a big plus for a pension plan.


5 posted on 07/08/2014 5:09:18 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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While I think the individual retirees are the least guilty of the guilty parties, its still going to cost them something.

Union members nationwide should be asking themselves if the deal they’re getting is too good to be true.


8 posted on 07/08/2014 5:11:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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If they won’t help their city, they are not good citizens.

Besides, who in TF retires after 20-25years of work, at 80-90% of their highest wage earned in a year or the top three highest years?


9 posted on 07/08/2014 5:12:56 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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well they voted for it, now they can pay for it


10 posted on 07/08/2014 5:13:08 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Give it a few years, this will spread everywhere. The only debt that a city should be able to incur is voter approved bonds. Any retirement, benefits, etc that is part of a person's salary should be entirely paid during the budget year. It is incredible how little ‘discretionary spending’ cities are presented with each budget year - so much of it is tied to previous budgets or non-elected human resource managers and unions.

It must end. Such debts are illegal under almost every state law. Budgets are not being voted on by currently elected councils but by benefits offerings of the past.

15 posted on 07/08/2014 5:18:16 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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Harry Reid would refer to such sacrifices as “Patriotic.”


16 posted on 07/08/2014 5:18:42 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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They could make it more enticing for these workers to accept these pension changes by sweetening the deal: Give each retiree a free Detroit home! They could have the option of buying it for their full market value of $1 or $2... but, because they are understanding ex-municipal employees... Homes for FREE!


17 posted on 07/08/2014 5:19:13 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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Thank you Michael Schaus for not putting ‘tic’ on the end of the word Democrat in your title.

The government of Detroit and been anything but democratic for years and years.

I have real mixed feelings about hurting the retirees to ‘save’ the city. Looks to me like no amount of money can ‘save’ Detroit.


18 posted on 07/08/2014 5:19:36 PM PDT by upchuck (Everyday, Joe Wilson becomes more correct!)
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There is a lot of pressure for them to settle. It is bankruptcy. So if they don’t agree the judge can and will impose a settlement which may be less.

A 4.5 percent cut doesn’t sound too bad considering how they were over-promised in the first place.


19 posted on 07/08/2014 5:19:46 PM PDT by The Free Engineer
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A large majority of those ‘poor pensioners’ were also liberal public employee union members and partisan liberal democrats. They made the mess, both by the ways they did(n’t) their jobs and by the way they ran Detroit’s politics for at least the last 50 years. Nail the hypocritical whiners! Send a message to their ilk all around the country that consequences are possible.


21 posted on 07/08/2014 5:22:21 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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The city of Detroit and the American auto manufacturers: Numbers one and two on the Hit Parade of Liberal spending failures.


24 posted on 07/08/2014 5:25:29 PM PDT by upchuck (Everyday, Joe Wilson becomes more correct!)
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Why don’t the retirees sue the Democrat Party? The Democrat politicians lived high on the hog and left the retirees holding an empty bag. The Democrat Party has lots of money. Heck, Obama is going to a dinner in Texas where all the Democrats there are paying $32,000 for the meal. How many retirees could be paid with that kind of money?
We shouldn’t even call the retired city employees of Detroit “retirees”. If they aren’t smart enough to go after the Democrat Party, then they should be called “suckers”.


26 posted on 07/08/2014 5:28:39 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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As I've always said, these are city employees. They voted for their city leadership, they let their city leadership screw them, but the problem for them is they didn't realize it was they who were getting screwed.

I say "tough toenails!". I certainly didn't vote for your mayors and city councilmen who were in charge of your pension funds. I certainly shouldn't have to pay your squandered pension now.

31 posted on 07/08/2014 5:37:40 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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Politicians and public sector unions sit at the table and trade favors using taxpayers’ money. Politicians get re-elected, unions get feather beds, and the taxpayers are stuck with the check after politicians and the unions have sated themselves.

Public sector unions should be against the law.


32 posted on 07/08/2014 5:42:33 PM PDT by randita
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The biggest problem I have with this is it treats the retired manager sucking up $200,000 a year the same as a retired janitor getting $17,000 a year.

The cut should be 10% off anything over $35,000 a year, with a $100,000 hard cap. COLA’s should be kept until reaching the $35,000 level. I would bet that would save more money and would better represent what pensions are supposed to do, give retirees a respectable, moderate level of income.


33 posted on 07/08/2014 5:44:54 PM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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At some point the hog trough becomes empty and all the piggies squeal they are still hungry.


34 posted on 07/08/2014 5:49:49 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Surgeon General Warning: Operation of Government Motors vehicles may be hazardous to your health)
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37 posted on 07/08/2014 5:52:19 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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4.5 percent cut

HAHAHAHAHA


38 posted on 07/08/2014 5:54:54 PM PDT by sasquatch
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