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Detroit Retirees Asked to Pay for Decades of Democrat Government
Townhall.com ^ | July 8, 2014 | Michael Schaus

Posted on 07/08/2014 5:05:54 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

Successful parasites are those that have learned to not take so much from the host that the host dies or sickens to the extent that nourishment for the parasites is constrained.

Many government parasites have ignored this reality and have overloaded the host with too many parasites and taken too much nourishment from the host. Consequently the host dies or sickens to such an extent that nourishment to the parasites is limited.

Such is the case with Detroit today. And that “sick host” condition will be coming to a city and/or state near you soon. And, eventually, to the federal government and its employees and contractors also.


41 posted on 07/08/2014 6:07:37 PM PDT by House Atreides (ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN FOR CHILDERS 2014 .... Don't reward bad GOPe behavior.)
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To: House Atreides

bump


42 posted on 07/08/2014 6:10:52 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Kaslin

Detroit was run by communists, specifically Mayor Coleman Young (id. CPUSA for decades), and CPUSA supporters (City Councilwomen and then Chairwomen), Maryanne Mahaffey and Erma Henderson.

Both women later joined the marxist Democratis Socialists of America when the CP started its decline in the 80’s.

Other Detroit City Council members also had significant ties to the CPUSA and the DSA.

In 1975, Sen. Carl Levin (d-Mich), then head of the city council, gave the key to the city to a KGB-controlled “World Peace Council” delegation headed by Indian Communist Party leader Romesh Chandra. Photos available in the WPC’s booklet on this event and possibly in Trevor Loudon’s 2013 book, “The Enemies Within: Communists, Marxists and Socialists in the US Congress”, www.pacificfreedomfoundation.org.

The UAW was, for decades, run by the CPUSA and then by the Reuther Brothers who were associated with the Socialist Party and/or the Democratic Socialists. Walter Reuther was identified as a member of the CPUSA in internal reports to the FBI in the 1930’s. He later broke with them in the late 40’s and fought them for control of the UAW.

Rep. John Conyers Jr (D-Mich) was a member of a CPUSA Local, 600 as was he father, who later when with the Reuther faction.

Just a little history to give the main story some context.


43 posted on 07/08/2014 6:20:27 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Kaslin
I don't think it's fair to take-away from lower-level employees for the mess made by management of the city. Rather than hit every retiree with a 4.5 percent cut and loss of COLA, they should put a cap on the pension that retirees receive and take away anything above that level.

Far too many cops and firemen earning in excess of $100,000 a year in pension checks, way beyond what is necessary to support yourself in retirement. There are lots of classifications getting $100,000 to $500,000 pensions - that's what should be cut. A lot of pensioners are living off pensions first received decades ago that are tiny compared to what is doled out now - leave them alone, it's hard living on $15,000 to $20,000 a year. Go after the big earners who sometimes receive more in retirement than what their standard salary was.

44 posted on 07/08/2014 6:23:50 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Steely Tom

They destroy rights when they have cop badge priviledges, and when they retire and have no priviledge, they whine they do not have rights and are kicked like old whores to the curb.

why do i not feel sorry.It is what they signed up for and promoted their entire careers in crime.


45 posted on 07/08/2014 6:38:57 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Vendome

Teachers? At least by me they take their 3 highest years...


46 posted on 07/08/2014 6:41:18 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: blueunicorn6

Quite a Very Good idea!


47 posted on 07/08/2014 7:17:36 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Well, you’re right of course. Politicians are nearly all LAWYERS, not accountants. Why anyone would trust a lawyer to run anything is beyond me. They’re a necessary evil sometimes if one needs legal advice, but as far as running a business, I’d sooner trust someone picked at random off the streets.


48 posted on 07/08/2014 7:19:46 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: Kaslin

Every time I hear stories like this I remember Margaret Thatcher’s words of wisdom about socialists running out of other people’s money.


49 posted on 07/08/2014 7:32:56 PM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: Kaslin

95.5% of a pension is better than no pension at all.


50 posted on 07/08/2014 7:34:01 PM PDT by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: Vendome

Besides, who in TF retires after 20-25years of work, at 80-90% of their highest wage earned in a year or the top three highest years?

Nobody before work date starting 1980. Now it is 1 percent a year. So you work 20 years, you get 20 percent. You work 50 years, you get 50 precedent. You work 100 years, you get 80 percent....80 percent is the cap, but who on Earth is going to work 80 years or more.


51 posted on 07/08/2014 7:36:47 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Well when this started. They had to compensate the horrid salaries of government workers and they came up with a better than poor pension to make up for the horrid salaries. It was good until about 1980 and then they chopped the pensions and still paid crap. Today you barely get a pension and the pay is atrocious.


52 posted on 07/08/2014 7:38:43 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Kaslin

If only those retirees would just pay their fair share.


53 posted on 07/08/2014 7:49:37 PM PDT by Controlling Legal Authority
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To: CitizenUSA

That someone picked random likely has more acumen; I read once that the Chinese government is made up primarily of men with scientific backgrounds and mindset. It would explain how they pinpoint problems, solve them, and don’t let principles or emotion get in the way of doing what has to be done.

Lawyers are groomed/trained/inclined to argue and debate and prove their point, which means there is no uniform agenda or cooperative mindset. This is why our government is so fractious and increasingly unstable. At least with accountants the numbers would be set up and there wouldn’t be any additional expenditure. The accountant’s mindset is centered on the bottom line and cost effectiveness and we’d likely end up with less government and a lot less waste. We’d also likely end up with better immigrants and a lot less problems with taxation. Until our government is loaded with less lawyers, I am certain that we’ll continue this perpetually conflicted government.


54 posted on 07/08/2014 8:34:05 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Go_Raiders
The biggest problem I have with this is it treats the retired manager sucking up $200,000 a year the same as a retired janitor getting $17,000 a year.

Agreed. And the irony of it all is that the janitor probably worked harder than did the manager.

55 posted on 07/08/2014 10:16:30 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: roadcat
Go after the big earners who sometimes receive more in retirement than what their standard salary was.

Yes. I never understood why their wasn't some sort of cap on retirement pay. A maximum of 2/3 of your working pay would seem reasonable.

56 posted on 07/08/2014 10:19:54 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right
Yes. I never understood why their wasn't some sort of cap on retirement pay.

It's the unions. Police and fire unions are very powerful and exert a lot of influence. Regular workers have caps around 2/3rds of their pay, but police and fire often have a cap hovering near 100 percent. For example, a regular worker would receive a pension based on 2 percent times number of years of permanent employment, attained if retiring at age 60, with a cap around 35 years of employment. 2 times 35 is 70 percent, only if they worked to 60 years of age. If less, they are penalized. Often the penalty is a sliding scale of 1 percent at age 50 to 2 percent at age 60. Retire at age 55, you get 1.5 percent times years so if you worked 35 years you would get around 52 percent of your salary as your pension.

If you're fortunate enough to be a cop, you may get 3 percent times number of years of permanent employment, attained if retiring at age 50, with a cap around 32 years employment. 3 times 32 is 96 percent, for retiring at age 50. On top of that, they're often allowed to boost their salary by including overtime as part of the calculation, while regular workers cannot. So it's possible to get more than 100 percent of regular salary as a pension. The unions make the rules.

57 posted on 07/08/2014 11:48:38 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Kaslin

If they hold out long enough; Detroit’s failings will vanish in the tsunami of America’s...


58 posted on 07/09/2014 3:19:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CitizenUSA

OPM is the religion of the sheeple. Heck, I think I’ll make that my new tagline.


59 posted on 07/09/2014 11:48:36 AM PDT by RipSawyer (OPM is the religion of the sheeple.)
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To: RipSawyer

OPM is fuel for the FSA.


60 posted on 07/09/2014 2:47:01 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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